Ep 295 | The Best?

In this episode we discussed:

Tems vs Burna Boy US popularity 

Omah Lay crowns himself the best of the last 20 years 

Is Afrobeats global dominance in decline?

Dremo claims he didn't make money when he was signed with Davido

And Many More topics

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SPEAKER_11 0:00

I said Thames Unburnable who's the biggest artist? Who's more famous who's the biggest artist in America? In America. I said it's not far off from what I expect from Muhammad. There's nothing innovative, nothing surprising about the album.

SPEAKER_10 0:18

Yeah, but people will say that Muhammad Ali was talking about he's the best before he'd get the best.

SPEAKER_11 0:23

Oh no, Mohammed Ali was the best just by him speaking. But that's the thing people forget. Well, Mohamed Ali was like the one of the first humans to understand psychology. And he knew that okay, I can just play mind games. Mohamed Ali knew that all I have to do is because in that time it was very it was very primitive when we when it came to boxing. All I had to do, no one was speaking, everyone just wanted to get through.

SPEAKER_10 0:46

Mohamed Ali for What if Omale fake? What if Omale is playing the state of mind games? Talking about he's the best before he's the best. We are back! Are we back guy? We are back, boy. We back. Listen, we are back, my boy. Listen, I was waiting for us to come back, yeah, so that I can tell you this to your face, my boy. Yeah, yeah. I hated that online shit that we was doing. I was waiting, I was waiting for us to come back, bro. We had to feed the street. I was feeding the streets. I was feeding the street while I was grumpy for me. You got what I'm saying? I was grumpy feeding the street, bruv. You go in because because it's not the same, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:37

No, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_10 1:38

You go, I mean, the vibe wasn't the same and everything, like it just kind of felt like when you say something, it goes through so many filters before it gets to the other person. Like, you got what I mean, like I I wasn't really feeling in everything. You got what I'm saying? I was waiting for us to be flesh to flesh. Pause.

SPEAKER_12 1:51

You gonna pause, pause, you know, because I said flesh, you know what I mean? We need to pause this up, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:03

You gotta say, yeah, yeah. Come on, boys, we're back.

SPEAKER_10 2:07

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_11 2:08

We are here, bro. What are you wearing though? Brother, come on, hey.

SPEAKER_10 2:11

What are we wearing though, bro? This is trolling season. Listen, bro, I'm a man, you fan, but but you know what? I'm not, you know, it's been it's been a bit up and down a little bit this season.

SPEAKER_11 2:22

All right, let me just break this down, guys. Listen, so you see, whatever team you support right now, yeah, your team is not in a better position than uh than this team here. I promise you this season. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. We've accepted our fate. We've accepted our fate. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we're not chasing nothing, nothing is chasing us. We're just there where we're there. We are there, we know we're gonna go Champions League next season. That's done. So we you know them guys that have paid their bills, they've done everything, they're fully now ready to come out and splurge with you. Bro, listen, don't be too sure, you know.

SPEAKER_10 2:52

I hear listen, I hear what you're trying to say, but I wouldn't really be too sure because I said the same thing about my Lakers. Okay, I'm saying because everyone knows I'm a Lakers fan and everything. Yeah, I said the same thing about Lakers and that, yeah. My boy, I said that the next day we were about to play OKC. Our best player got injured, bro.

SPEAKER_11 3:14

Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw that one.

SPEAKER_10 3:16

I was like, oi, Choi, it will be a good one.

SPEAKER_11 3:19

But that's the thing about basketball. You got me, but football now it's 11 men vs 11 men. I hear that. Yeah, now we are buzzing. The team is fine, like I said, our fate is sealed. Okay, okay, okay. Arsenal are playing for something. Man City are playing for something, Liverpool are playing for something, Chelsea are playing for something. Thought no, everyone is playing for something. We're just there like carry on.

SPEAKER_12 3:42

You just did chill then.

SPEAKER_11 3:43

We are trolling like on my light.

SPEAKER_10 3:48

I see what time we are all right now, bruv. My guys already shoot him, bruv. Yeah, my guys already shooting, bruh. Come on, United. I hear that though. I hear that though. But listen, I'm I'm glad. Listen, this kind of feels different. Yeah, man. You know, we we've not been here for like about a month now, innit? About a month. You know what I mean? So, so I love this. I love this. Tranquilo, tranquilo, tranquilo.

SPEAKER_11 4:12

This is what it is, man. This is what it is, you know what I mean. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 4:15

And listen, listen, I salute every single one, you know, everybody that's been reaching out to us and everything, saying, Yo, what time you guys uh, you know, can everything salute you law. You know what I'm saying? You already know. It's the same people here though.

SPEAKER_11 4:26

Yeah, but we did do online though. What you guys doing?

SPEAKER_10 4:29

I mean, yeah, I mean, they probably they probably were waiting for the yeah, you got me the physical shit.

SPEAKER_11 4:34

It's it's it's to be fair, I understand that. It's like you know, your starters and your main cause and your dessert. They were probably waiting for this, you know. Yeah, they're mean for the main cause, you know what I mean? Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_10 4:43

That's good, man. Listen, we're back. It's your boy Toby.

SPEAKER_11 4:45

Yeah, I'm Mr. Banks, man.

SPEAKER_10 4:47

If you don't know, you already know this is Fresh of the Boat podcast, fresh of the boat show, whatever you call us, that's who we are. If you don't know, you know what I'm saying? You don't know, you know what I mean? Come on. Listen, if you've not subscribed to the channel, do that. Subscribe to the channel, watch the videos, leave a like, leave a comment, share this with your friends. You get what I'm saying? And also for people for people that don't know, we are on Spotify as well, and we are on Apple Podcasts as well. You get what I'm saying? So you can also go on there, listen to us, watch us, and all that stuff. Um, we are also on X as well, the community on X, you know, FOTB community, you know, and if you're a part of the community and everything, bro, we need we need some engagement and everything, bruv. You know what I mean? Send in the topics that you want us to talk about, yeah, man. Things that are happening within the week and everything. Some of you have been doing that, so salute you love for that. Still, shout out. We appreciate every single one of you, bruv. For real, for real. For real. Come on, gang things. Because before we start, yeah. Come on. Because something has been playing on my mind and everything, be if I tell you the gist and that, yeah. I'm gonna ask you this story, this this question. When you wanna call when you want to comment on the next man's picture on IG and everything, yeah, what do you normally comment? Like what kind of statement, what or emojis or whatever, or rather, what do you put on there?

SPEAKER_11 6:04

It depends on what the picture is about, right? So if he's nice next to a car, uh because me naturally I'm a troll, but I'm being genuine by saying, ah, you bro, you need to share this or teach me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I grow up, I want to be like you, you know, yeah, stuff like that. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 6:21

I hear that though, I hear that. Because something happened last couple of days and everything, which was kind of playing on my mind still, yeah. I tell you this gist, my boy. Let me pull the mic. Let me tell you this gist, my boy. So there's this guy and everything who's been following him on IG and everything, yeah. This is my room. You know that um that was it called um personal story that people do where like the stuff is green. I don't know what that shit's called close friends, close friends and that, yeah. My policy on that has always been if I see a man doing close friends, you're you're probably gay, bro. You know what?

SPEAKER_11 7:02

I hear you on that, my bro. Yeah, it makes sense, it makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_10 7:06

No fall by it, yeah. But I don't care what anyone says, men should not be doing close friends. Close friends, facts, big facts. You got me? If you're in some dodgy situation, it's either you don't post it, it's or you got me, you get me. Or you put it in the group chat. You got me for your boys to see, but you don't do close friends type thing, you got me online, you know. Yeah, bro. How dumb. So this this guy and everything, yeah, yeah, cool. I don't know the guy and all that, you know. He likes man pictures sometimes and all that shit. Cool, whatever. Yeah, all of a sudden I saw my man do close friends thing. Yeah, that's what I looked on that and he included you in the close friends. Yeah, I was part of the close friend. I was thinking, bruh, we're not close. I don't want to be, I don't wanna be in the next man's close friends, bruv. You get me? If you're if I'm gonna be in close friends, I don't want to be in some chick's close friends, bruv. Oh god, that's what excited.

SPEAKER_11 7:53

You you are a woman's gun.

SPEAKER_10 7:59

You two like some like some. So I saw that was like, bro, what am I even doing in here, bruv? Alright, cool. I overlooked that, kept on doing my shit. So I posted a photo on my story and that, yeah? Oh, wait. I swear to God, I know where this is good. Finish. My man left. I love eye emoji, bro. Like, what the fuck are we? Bro, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_11 8:38

Yo, what the fuck? Guys, listen. What the fuck are we really here? Like, was close friends. That's the first red flag, bro. Second red flag, you were included in the close friends. Brother, at what point are you gonna take yourself out? Bro, I would delete my as soon as the man added me to close friends. Delete. You get me, bro.

SPEAKER_10 8:54

You get me? Mama left a love eye emoji on the man shit. I said, What the fuck? All right, I kept quiet. I didn't say nothing. Well, I was like, third strike, bro, you're out of here, bruv. Then I posted something on my story, bruv. Mama now left. Fine shit. Oh my god. Fine shit on my story, bruv. On the blocking, bruv. On the blocking bruv. If you ever, if you ever, if you ever leave five shit, yeah, on my story, yeah. Comer, we are gonna come in here. We are gonna fight fast. Let's go. Let's go. Put him up, put him up.

SPEAKER_11 10:05

He's brave, you know.

SPEAKER_10 10:06

What the fuck, bro?

SPEAKER_11 10:07

What we do in here? Does he have like a proper account?

SPEAKER_10 10:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he has like a proper account.

SPEAKER_11 10:13

So his pictures on his account, do they look a bit saucy, like for a period of time?

SPEAKER_10 10:20

No.

SPEAKER_11 10:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 10:21

But after a period of time, yeah, you could kind of see the glaims a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Uh things he started to post. Yeah, I'll I'll I look bro. Why you standing like that, bruv? You get me? Why you standing like that, bruh?

SPEAKER_11 10:37

Okay. You get me? Let's go here. Don't like the stance. You got me last stance there? We'll keep watching. You know, Kashimawo. You know what they say, Kashima woo. Let's still keep looking. Hey, like to easy our own. You know what? You get me. We listen and we don't judge. You get me. I have to say, but are you okay? I mean, I know this could be very traumatic. No, people don't know what men like us go through. Because that could have been easy. You know, this is close to um harassment, you know. This is homosexual, you know. This is this is serious stuff, yeah, bro. And some people are here laughing at you, and that's not what hey. If you're laughing, stop right now. I'm looking out for my brother, you know. Yes, mental health is at risk here. Yes, bruv. You know what I'm saying? Because if I go around putting find something on a lady's thing, yeah, I'll get in trouble for that. Yes, bruv. Yeah, so are you okay, Tubbs? Yeah, I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_14 11:41

Put it again.

SPEAKER_10 11:44

What the hell, bruvs? Oh my god, oh listen, bro.

SPEAKER_12 11:49

That shit is so funny, bro. That shit is crazy.

SPEAKER_11 11:52

No, that's a violation. That's violation.

SPEAKER_10 11:56

That's a proper violation. God man aggravated than that, bro. Damn, yeah, I've said too easier on everything, but but man don't swim. Yeah, man don't swim that way.

SPEAKER_11 12:05

The only thing that swings is a pendulum.

SPEAKER_10 12:09

Like six o'clock. Straight like six o'clock.

SPEAKER_12 12:12

You gotta be, bruv. I'm telling you, but yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_10 12:15

That's what happened on the head. But listen, hey, listen, I don't know, my guy. I don't know, my guy.

SPEAKER_11 12:23

Yeah, I feel vindicated, bruv. Oh, you have to tell me more, mate. Tell me more, tell me more. I feel vindicated, bruv. Let me tell you why.

SPEAKER_10 12:31

Yeah, when everybody was going crazy at Yay, oh, yeah, formerly known as Tanya West, I felt like I was the only person out of the group chat that was riding for my man, bruv. Yeah, and just looking at him come back because that LA show you stayed up, bro. There is levels to this shit, there is levels to this thing that we call musical performance, art, whatever you want to call that.

SPEAKER_11 13:09

Some people are called artists for a reason. Some people are called musicians for a reason.

SPEAKER_10 13:15

Bro, he gave this man them assignments, you know. If you don't step up your your your um stage, no one cares no more. Nobody cares, bro. Because the reason why I'm saying this, yeah, I was having a conversation with my boy. Yeah, proper African, um, um, sorry, Afrobian guy, and everything. Yeah, he he's one of them people that go to every Afrobean show, every Afrobian artist that can't like. Even if my man is doing it in the club, he's gonna be there. Like, he's one of them ones in that. You get what I'm saying? Totally opposite for man. You get what I mean? We have the conversation that, yeah. I said, bro, I don't really know how you do it. Right. Yeah. Um because I'm a very um aesthetic type of guy. Same here. You go I mean, I love beautiful things, right? You know what I mean? The beautiful furniture, house, ladies, you get what I mean. Yeah, bruh. You get it, continue, you got the T you can go in, sir. You get me, bro. Aesthetics. I'm into that. You get me? Yeah, so when I look at some of these concerts and everything, you see the artists go on stage, they don't put any thoughts in the stage or whatever the case is, right? My man just standing there, right? Obviously doing his thing, performing and everything, but you can tell he's depending on the song to carry everybody along. Facto, you get what I mean, bro. I might as well just stay at home and just put your CD in the fucking stereo and just listen to it. Communicating or play your song on my fucking phone. Yeah, carry on. Right? When I bring out my money to go see an artist, bro, I have every confidence in the world, right, that our artist is performing. That's why it's called a performance. You know what I mean? There is art on that stage. You know what I mean? I'm there to watch everything, bro. And that's the reason why I can probably count on one hand how many artists that I've actually paid to go watch. You know what I mean? I went to obviously I I saw Chris Brown, seen Chris Brown, um, watch the throne, the one out of O2 back then, watch the throne, Kendra, this was like three years ago. Um a boy, yeah, the one that he did at the state uh stadium, yeah, not the last one, the other one, the first one, the first one that he did. Oh, okay, okay, okay. You got me that's London Stadium, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got what I mean. That's Tams. Yeah. You get me? Like, these are people that I know when I go. I'm I am experiencing greatness.

SPEAKER_11 15:53

Yeah, you're getting something back.

SPEAKER_10 15:55

You got me? I'm getting something back. I don't want to just go stand and your song is playing on the stereo. For the sake of it, yeah. You get me, your song is playing on the stereo, and you're just singing back to Ryan and everything. I don't really get me. Like, I I cannot sit down and watch Kanye West do what he's doing. Yeah. At, in my opinion, about half his greatness. Yeah. If you followed my man, yeah, you can tell he's like a great player who got injured.

unknown 16:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 16:25

He's been out for a long time. He's kind of just walking his way back.

SPEAKER_11 16:28

Yeah. Recovery.

SPEAKER_10 16:29

You got what I mean? He's still trying to catch his breath on stage. You can tell. Yep. You get what I'm saying? Like his voice is a good thing. That's why the that's why the auto tune was really Yeah. Again, you can tell they are still tweaking and working things, the lights, all that stuff. Because he's preparing for a tour. This is not even toad. This is just like a listening session that he's doing.

SPEAKER_11 16:46

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_10 16:46

You got me. So when I'm watching that, I said, bro, how can I watch this finish? And I'm I'm not gonna name names and everything, but then you ask permit to go sit and watch and watch. Yeah, you go I mean, one, two, three. You got what I mean, bro. People need to sit down and watch that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_11 17:04

Nah, yeah, a lot of people. Let me just put it out there, right? Oh, fair enough. I I'm not on that, I'm not in that group chat. So, fair enough. Maybe I would have been the second guy overly backing Kanye. I've always said, and I'll keep telling you guys, one of the greatest, again, my top three artists of all time, Michael Jackson, Kanye West, Chris Brown. No one is touching those three. I'm I'm I promise you, on every level. Chris Brown is an alien, Kanye West is an alien, Michael Jackson is something else, right? These are names that people will talk about for years to come, generations to come, right? Like you can bring up, okay. Now, if we talk about the rappers, like I say, make maybe a Jay-Z, biggie, and this, and remember that a Jay-Z, for instance, he's gonna be talked about outside his music, it's gonna be the business part of it, you know, it's like a businessman and an entrepreneur. See, can you brother? He always says, Hey, let me move the level up again. You know, those guys that just sit there and go, hmm, what can I do to change or shift the culture? Oh, let's do this, bro. He's an anomaly, bro. Bro, the guy just sits home and goes, Oh, I want to do um um a globe type of stage, and probably people look at me like, What are you talking about? What do you mean, globe? What why do you want to do that? Bro, he's different, bro. Let's do it, let's do it, bro. Man did that, and he's tied a hernace on his back.

SPEAKER_10 18:22

Bro, it's not his performing. Man, stand on top of the world, bro.

SPEAKER_11 18:28

What a guy, right?

SPEAKER_10 18:30

What a guy, what a guy, bro. You know what I mean? Stand on top of the world doing this and everything. Bro, I'm watching that. I'm like thinking, bro, we we have miles to go. Miles, brother, bro. We have miles in this our thing that we're doing over here. We have miles to go, bro.

SPEAKER_11 18:45

You know, again, Tob's such a nice guy, man. He keeps saying the nice things to help you guys, bro. When I tell a human being you've got miles to go, that means I'm giving you hope. Because you're like, oh, miles, oh, 20 miles. Okay, or maybe I'll reduce it to 18, bro. We don't even have a road, road close. I think we do. I think we do. No, we don't, bro. I think we do. No, we don't. I think we do. Everything we're doing, we're copying these people. Listen, I promise you, one time, someone in five years or even probably in three years, someone is gonna try and do what Kanye just did. I remember when Afrobeat artists would just come out of the stage and perform. Now, obviously, we moved up to someone who um what's it called? A car will be um some made makeshift car will be landing into stage, then the person comes out of the car. All of this okay. Well, for Afrobeat, the standard is oh nice, brother. Come on, man. I'd rather people just come out on stage, bro. If you don't want to, just do not try, just come out, just just say, I'm here, guys. Let's perform. See, that's it. I would like I'd rather have that one than you trying. Oh man, catch me.

SPEAKER_10 19:47

Bro, my man's different, bro.

SPEAKER_11 19:48

My man is different, yeah. Man, that man is different, bro. So salute to him though. Oh damn, 80,000 people in the salute, man, bro.

SPEAKER_10 19:55

That shit was crazy. Goose bombs and that, bro.

SPEAKER_11 19:57

Can you tell him?

SPEAKER_10 19:58

Goosebumps.

SPEAKER_11 20:05

Bro, I'm sitting there having goosebumps. I'm like, my nice never touched his new music, bro. My man's not even playing his new shit. That's what I'm saying. What? And I'm coming home again. Maybe we can start up again.

SPEAKER_10 20:20

Man, bro, he just called classics, bruh.

SPEAKER_11 20:25

Bro. Classics. This guy just classics. Forget. And you know, you know what's crazy, guys? Yeah, so we just don't want to dwell on this because we know you're here for Avrobeats, but the truth is you're here for music. A man said, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Stop the music. I want to hear my 80,000 fans sing when you can tell me nothing, right? I just see guys going all white man say I had a dream.

SPEAKER_10 20:55

I'm oh man. What? Bro, listen, forget, forget. We are, we are, we have not even scratched the surface yet, bro.

SPEAKER_11 21:04

Oh, am I late? Oh good morning, if magic made it. Oh my days, Kaiya. You're real, bro. Shut up, bro.

SPEAKER_10 21:20

Listen, I am looking for one of his tunes and everything, bro. You know what? I'm I'm gonna find out later. But yeah, bro, it's all good, bro. Uh it's all good, man. It's all good. But yeah, fam, listen. Let's jump right into it, bro. What we're here for, man. What we're here for. What happened in the week in Afro Beach. But you know what? Before we get to that, yeah, salute you though. Oh, shout out to me. Salute you because a couple of days ago, I think it was the night before. I mean, everybody knows or my lady dropped. Oh my god. Before I dropped another thing, you obviously text me and say, Yo, I'm doing like um the X spaces and that.

SPEAKER_11 21:59

Oh, yeah, spaces.

SPEAKER_10 22:00

You got me. So I said, okay, let me just get and get to the thing and just listen. So I was there listening. Great conversation and everything, bro. I'm not gonna lie. Like about 30 people were obviously there, isn't it? Something like that. Yeah, something like that. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, so everyone was talking and all that, right? And somebody did me a favor and brought up my girl. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Somebody brought up my girl, bruh. Stop playing my face, my guy. Yeah. Somebody brought up my girl. And I'm like, okay, I see what's going on here. So people come on the pod, say what they want to say, but they go on the spaces and say something else about my girl. Okay. I want to hear this. And people know who I'm talking about, bruv.

SPEAKER_11 22:50

I would like to know what it is. Tempts! Of course, the middle.

SPEAKER_10 22:56

Yeah. But somebody actually said something. Someone brought up something. Yeah. Someone said. In the States. Thames and Bonner Boy.

SPEAKER_11 23:06

I was the one that brought it up. Was it either brother? Yeah, bro. Three years ago, they they insulted me. I said, Thames and Burnable, who's the biggest artist? Who's more famous? Who's the biggest artist in America? In America. I said Thames. Let's go, Shaw that. This is when um oh yeah, and they were gassing it up. I said, brother, Thames is bigger. They insulted me. Fast forward to three years later, guys. Who's bigger? Okay, I'll let you guys answer that one. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_10 23:31

Listen, for people that don't know, and everybody knows how I feel about Burner. I like Burner. You know what I'm saying? I don't need to state how much love I go for terms. Yeah. But I'm not caping for her, bro. No, this is a fact. You got what I mean? When it comes to the stage, bro, forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. It's it's gone, it's gone. Forget. It's all over, bro. You got what I mean? Let's let's not even play that game, bro. I swear. Yeah. This girl was in Our Way for You with Future and Drake. That song went number one on the Billboard chat. You got what I'm saying? And she carried that song. Facts. You got what I'm saying? She was on Estonice with Wiz. That song went number seven. She she ah man, that is. You give me she carried a lot of things, man. You give me she carried. Hey, she was credited on Beyonce's album. Yeah. Um Raisin and whoever that album is.

SPEAKER_11 24:34

Rihanna's um soundtrack. The Rihanna thing and everything. She's gone, man.

SPEAKER_10 24:38

You get what I'm saying? Now forget about chats. Bonner boy to his credit, yeah. Um Last Last. But last last, I believe, picked up like 44. You get what I'm saying? That's chats. Then let's go to Grammys. You get me? She's one Grammys. Bonner boy has one Grammys in there. She's one more, I think, yeah. You get what I mean? But I think, I think, um, let me just double check. Yeah, I think she probably has one more, or whatever.

SPEAKER_11 25:07

No, she has more, she has more.

SPEAKER_10 25:08

You get me? So she she won. Way for you. She was credited on the Beyonce's album thing. But Bonner Boy won with twice as tall. Now, people will say, oh, but both of them won. But you gotta look at the category.

SPEAKER_11 25:23

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_10 25:24

You go what I mean. Bonner Boy won on the globe on the global side of things. That's like, you go, I mean, on the side, if you understand how Grammy works, this right here is like a mainstream American thing.

SPEAKER_11 25:35

Televised.

SPEAKER_10 25:36

You go I'm saying the only thing that I'll give Bonner over Thames is touring.

SPEAKER_11 25:41

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 25:42

I'll give that to Bonner when it comes to the market. But then at the same time, you you kind of have to look at a big portion of Bonner Boys fans are people that are tapped into the Afro-beat thing and global thing. You go I mean, while Thames does more of because of her type of music, American-centric. Yeah, she's soul, soul kind of music. You go, I mean, it's American-centric, bro. That girl, she she's a pop star.

SPEAKER_11 26:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_10 26:14

The only thing the reason why we're claiming her is because like she's Nigerian.

SPEAKER_11 26:20

Oh no, I don't claim Thames. I've I everyone you you can look at the tapes, the tweets, the whatever. I've never said Thames is not, she's gone. She's not, she should never be considered Afro beats, Afro anything. Nope. She's just a Nigerian artist. Yeah? Because she was born in Nigeria, nationality is Nigerian. But anything else? Nah, no. Where's Kid Bernabo Davido? Yes, those are Afro Beats. If they like, they could call themselves Afro Jolof, Afro Fusion, Afro Amala, Afro Semu. We don't care. You're still Afro Beats. Bro, listen. That's you.

SPEAKER_10 26:49

But Tem's gone. She has crossover hits. She's gone, bro. You get me. And if you look at the people that she has them hits with, like you're talking about Beyoncé, you're talking about Drake. You're talking about um Future Kendrick. You go, I mean, J. Cole. All them people. So, you know, Bonna Boy has with like Twin One Savage, J. Cole, you know, yes, and Sheeran as well, but that's more on the global side of things. We're talking about American for people that will come to the comments and say, Oh, we're talking about the American market.

SPEAKER_11 27:20

Yeah, no, she's got more reach. Forget. She's got more reach. Forget her reach in America is different. I'm just happy that I've uh uh uh you know the foresight is always there, you know. That's why I call myself banks. You know what I'm saying? I told you guys three years ago, and them times I was not even like you know, caping for terms like that. I just saw the market. I said, Yeah, she's gonna be more. Oh no, you can't say that, you know. Bernard Boy City, have you seen? I remember that space like yesterday. Oh, have you seen what city but bro? You don't work for Bernard Boy now, but let's just stick to facts which one who is bigger, but I know what you need, get away from me. Yeah, so go and watch this girl on Jimmy Fallon, bro. I swear, and what were they now saying?

SPEAKER_10 28:01

Go watch girl on Jimmy Fallon, bro.

SPEAKER_11 28:02

About no, she killed that that that performance, go watch that performance, bro. What were then then in on in that space? Did some what what was because I said the whole thing of terms is the biggest artist, blah blah blah on the space. Did someone I can't remember if anyone disagreed in that space as well? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_10 28:17

I think people had different opinions, opinions, yeah, but whatever the case is true, that's true. You go I mean, go watch this girl on Jimmy Fallon, bro. She's different, she's different, and and when I come here and say, bro, leave that girl alone. You go, I mean, people be like, Oh, yo, bro, you're okay. Is it because he has bignash? No, yeah, leave that woman alone, like the whole bignash thing, yeah, it's jokes and everything, bro. But when it comes to terms, leave that girl alone, yeah. You go let her walk out, you know. Don't even if she was a guy, the conversation will be different, but because she's a woman, nobody really puts her in the whole conversation, but because again, because she can't be in the top three though, she's not Afro Beats.

SPEAKER_11 28:59

That's what I'm saying. It's like you now, you're the heavyweight champion, and then the lightweight guys are going, eh, but he's not in your class. What do you want him to do? Yo, Tebs is not in their class. Like, I'll be real, I'll be real. She's not forget. She doesn't share charts with them. You see that they're number um Nigerian top 100. Yeah, she doesn't do that with them. Yeah, if it happens, it's because Nigerians like are listening to her music. She doesn't do um new music Friday with you guys. Like, bro, I can listen to the things Temps don't do with you. It tells you she's not one of them. She doesn't do your new music Friday, she doesn't do your um um um um uh what's it called? Shock and driving, like come online, do you know? She is not in your dramas and shit. She doesn't do any of that, she does not chasing clout, she's not in your um kata if a stream and all this, but you never hear anyone make a statement and say, Oh, you see that time when I met Thames, she's not there, they all move in different. She's not trying to date any of her celebrities in there, bro. Yeah, man, she's out of your league. You know when man say, Yeah, that's out of my league. That's the meaning you know. When you look at Thames, yeah, she's different. She's gone, bro. She's gone like the back, you know. She's different, gone, you know what I mean? Yeah, man. But yeah, bro. It's all good, bro.

SPEAKER_10 30:07

You know what I mean? Bro, let's jump into it. Yeah, let's jump into this shit, bro. Should we dip our toes in first? Listen, bro. Listen, omale, oh my lie, and omale, let's go. Bro, I'm not gonna lie. This is a tune, bro. Good tune.

SPEAKER_13 31:44

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 31:54

I've been this way for way too long. Now I think it's a happy house. Now I think it's a happy song.

SPEAKER_10 32:01

Bro, listen.

SPEAKER_11 32:02

Yeah, do me a favor. No, no, no. When you when you finish, do me a favor. Yeah, when you I'll I'll I'll tell you when the music stops. Yeah, bro. Listen. Before we go into it, play Omale Woman. Omale woman. Woman. Just remember, remember the song we just listened to. Yeah, listen to woman. Omale woman, yeah. Let's go. Yes, sir. Anytime I like I knack with that. Rubber band, oh rubber band. Anytime I love me that if I tell me that, oh do you woo? I'm happy that, or do you woo, and everything I do for my woman. Now pause.

SPEAKER_10 33:14

You see, do you hear the same job before you start? For people that don't know on YouTube, we're gonna clip out the beat that we just played, the songs and everything. But if you want to listen to the whole thing, go on Apple Podcast, not Spotify. Yeah, because we can't post it on Spotify as well because of copyright reasons and everything. So on Apple Podcast, you can hear the songs that we just played, right? You go. I mean, obviously, we can't post it on YouTube because hey, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 33:40

You know, you know how it goes. Cool, but yeah, it's like there's so much similar um similarities with both songs, yeah, almost similar bass. And I think for me now, I can mention about three songs that sound like that. Not the same, but they have the same cadence, same type of melody and structure. And I think that's Omar Lee's best pocket. For people that don't know the songs that we just played. We played Woman and we played Don't Love Me. Don't love me, yeah. So it's like that Don't Love Me. I think I know it came out a long time. Yeah, yeah. It came out some time ago. Time we go. But the thing is, I love about the fact that it's just now for me, because I've always thought to myself, that pocket is the best pocket omali's ever been in. Oh, absolutely. See that that is his mind. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 34:25

That's what he feels comfortable, bro. Too comfortable, man. He feels very comfortable that you go, I mean, but before we jump into the controversy and everything, yeah, because I know everyone is waiting for it. What do you think about the album in itself?

SPEAKER_11 34:37

I'll be honest with you guys. Listen, I haven't done a deep dive, I've done the typical skim through because you know it's not bruh. This album just came less than eight hours ago. Well, well, no, no, you know, it came out on Friday, no? Yeah, exactly. And this is Saturday. So this would be almost 24 hours. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So the truth is obviously after skimming through the album, some of the songs we've heard before, obviously. To be fair, it's not far off from what I expect from Omale. There's nothing innovative, nothing surprising about the album. I promise you. Based from what he was telling us for how many years? Clarity of mind, clarity of mind, clarity of mind. My uncle stole my laptop. My dog stole my sound. The eagles are after me. I have to cut my hair, come to the warehouse, bro. I in my mind, I was like, bro, we are about to get some shit, bro. I start to call my lawyer. We are about to get some shit. Bro, I called accountant. I say, hey guys, listen, we might just pull money, you know. The stocks are about to go up for Afro Beats.

unknown 35:45

Put some money in there.

SPEAKER_11 35:47

Hey, hear the album. I say, Hey. Oh my lie, um my late. Do you think you feel that way because of how it was hyped? Okay. Psychology 101. Do not overhype something. Because naturally you're gonna underdeliver, because that's how the brain works. Kanye West will have something to say about that. Nope. Kanye West always overhypes, but Kanye does something that he does really well. Kanye comes with a full package. So even if the song doesn't meet up, if it doesn't meet your expectation, uh something else will meet your expectation. Like we just said, the performance, it could be his um his merch. Like there's a bundle that comes with it. Like it's not just only music, Kanye will give you like oh, Kanye gives you moments. The whole warehouse thing and people doing this, that is Kanye. We've seen it before. Haven't you seen Kanye do stuff like that? Yeah, so it's nothing surprising. Like when you see Kanye doing this, like you already know. Okay, we know what we're gonna get. Maybe two or three songs are gonna be crazy bangers, you know, it's about to change the sound or whatever it is. That's why I see most times after listening to an album from Kanye West, you're talking about the sonic sounds, more or less. People don't really talk about lyrics with Kanye. No, why? Because people are looking at him as an innovative, isn't he's an innovator, yeah. Omale is doing his sad um puppy, hard gray poppy, and all that stuff, yeah. And then the gimmicks he's doing before dropping the album as are things you and I have seen before. Yeah, of course. Do you see what I'm saying? So now our expectation is nothing we don't care about anything, we're just waiting for that music to land. Because now that Omale's dropped an album, is there anything coming after that? No, there you go. Kanye drops an album. We're just using Kanye as the you know, as the as the blueprint, as the bar. Kanye drops an album, even if it doesn't meet your expectation. Guess what you're gonna looking out for? Okay, he might drop something else. Concert, thank you, tour, or all that merge, something is gonna happen. There's nothing happening after this. The album sounds like something I've heard before. Like, it's not like bro, it's not you know when um what's his name? Rema dropped um he is, it's just like, oh wow, this is so different to what we know of yeah, and Omale said the same Remmer stole his album, even though he didn't use Rema, but he said someone, yeah, but we yeah. How did we even arrive at Rema to start with? That's one point, you know. They asked him a question instead of him to say, hey guys, listen, this album, it's name the name is Clarity of Mind. So I think it would take a while for me to drop this album, but because he felt the pressure on him, you know, the last album he dropped was in 2019, going into that 2020, so it's like five going on to six years, and people are like, Oh man, you've got to drop your sophomore album, blah blah blah. That pressure of being one of the top five artists of his new era. He let that get into his head and started talking about someone stole his laptop instead of him focusing on the fact that guys, this album is coming soon. Don't worry, don't worry, I've got you, I've got you. A guy was telling us the things that didn't happen just to distract us, bro. You didn't know you're set yourself up to set up because guess what? You said someone stole your thing, so naturally now I'm expecting a new sound because you said it stole it, so you have to start all over again. I hear that.

SPEAKER_10 39:02

I like I hear that though, but to be fair, I'm not really mad, I'm not really mad at the way he's gone about this whole thing, this whole um villain um era thing that he's on at the moment. Because honestly speaking, this is the most noise I've heard around an Omar's album. The first one, solid album, very good album. Um, because no one knew him at that point, yeah. You know what I mean? But this one is like everybody was waiting. Oh shit, all this shit that you're saying, all the shit that we're doing, we are waiting for this, bro. The internet went crazy. Um Friday, Thursday night until Friday morning. The internet was nuts, you know what I'm saying? Everyone was waiting for that shit. So I'm not really mad. I think it's great marketing. How however you feel about it, no, not you, but I'm talking about the people. However, people feel about it, bro. You can't take away the marketing of the album. Like it worked, it definitely worked. You go, I mean, for the marketing, the promo side of things. You got what I'm saying? Now, I'm not gonna lie, yeah. I was going into the album thinking, all right, let me just go into this shit and hate, bruv. Let me see if I'm gonna hate on this shit. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying? But I'm not gonna lie, it's a very solid album. You go, I mean, I understand how people feel about it because when you put the hype on it, now we are expecting some some fireworks on this shit. You go, I mean, if he didn't do all that, and we get it, a lot of people would be like, yo, this shit is banging though. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, some of the tracks you're gonna have to play a couple times and everything for it to start cooking. Absolutely. But I honestly think that it has like a very good replay value. Like some of the songs I really enjoy, like Julia. Really enjoy Julia, bruv. You got what I'm saying, like I don't know if if people are heard it. Some people, yeah. You go I'm saying, let me just play just let me just tease you a little bit. You go I mean Julia. I like it, bro. Bro, when I listen to some of these songs, right? That's a that's something that a lot of artists are doing right now. A lot, a lot of artists are making, yeah, we call it stadium music. Alright. Not saying that he's gonna do a stadium there, you get what I mean, but I think a lot of these people are doing um concert music now.

SPEAKER_11 41:57

Right.

SPEAKER_10 41:57

You dig what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 41:58

Yeah, yeah, I get with you.

SPEAKER_10 41:59

You know, if you look at Remmer, did the same thing. His last album, there's a lot of concert music on there. If you're in your house, not doing anything listening to it, and everything, you're gonna be like, fuck it, yo, like what the fuck is going on here? You get what I'm saying? But when you're in that setting, dark lights, older, you're gonna be, you know, everyone is probably fucking high and shit. Yeah, yeah. You get what I mean? So I I think that that's probably his mindset, yeah, when it comes to this album.

SPEAKER_11 42:26

Now it's a grunge, it's a grungy type of beat. That's what I'm saying. I get it. I I know that he's not necessarily just making music for of course, again, he's now an international artist, so he's gonna make music for the Western world, the people that would go to concerts, people that will actually buy his music, yeah. You know, if you take it back to how he started, which is not far off from his normal type of music, I'm not saying it's that far, but that song Julia is like this. Is the thing, I'll be honest with you. Like, I understand that people want to stay in a lane or be very conspicuous or mystique, but bro, clarity is very important, you know. Clarity is so important, and it's funny and ironic. Man, I say clarity of mind, but that Julia, you can't even make what he's saying. Do you get it? But that's what I'm saying, though. Like, like, is is that dark? That's where I'm going exactly that dark thing, and even the people that do the originators of the dark thing, the people that that's their own music, that's their culture, you can still hear what they're saying. I know I can make a few things of what he's saying, but that's because if I listen to his the music intently, like, okay, cool. You know, there's some songs you hear just from a distance, you can be like, Oh, I hear what that person is saying. So I'm saying, but hey, the album is not you're right. The album is not uh that's why I've not said anything as oh, this album is dead. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 43:45

I don't think the album is dead, but I see a lot of people saying it, I see a lot of people criticizing you on the body. You need to listen to it again and you know what I'm saying, but I think a lot of people went to the mindset of the way he was going about it, naturally, right? And set up you know, unless you're Kanye West, or something, yeah. The chances of you meeting that is difficult, man. Even Kanye West have had some duds, bro. You got what I mean. I can tell you three albums that you know. He's even has some duds, you know what I'm saying? So everybody, you know, but I honestly think I I enjoyed this album, bro. I I enjoyed this album, and I didn't have a problem with the way he went about the whole, you know, he's like in this villain era type thing. I and I understand that it rots people the wrong way because everybody kind of expects you to be humble. You know what I'm saying? I like I heard a couple people saying that in the space as well. Like, yo, um, something like you know, you should you should be humble type thing, therefing.

SPEAKER_11 44:44

Like, bro, no, I don't think you should be humble, but there's a difference between arrogance and confidence. And I feel like a lot of the a lot of the artists in Nigeria, because they're coming from a background, most people in Nigeria anyway, are from a place where you're not allowed to speak up and be confident because they will take you as arrogance and tell you, oh no, no, no, humble yourself. So they've now mastered the art of shifting between arrogance and confidence. Do you get it? You know, when you're talking about your stuff because you know your stuff, that's you being confident. Yeah. Now, when you're saying something that people are looking at you going, really? That's that's unnecessary arrogance. And for me, I feel like him saying things like which we're gonna get into or in the last 20 years, no one makes art like him.

SPEAKER_10 45:26

Let's get into that now then. Let's get into that now. I'm glad you brought that up. I'm gonna play the oh sorry, I'm gonna play the video right now, and then we can now break that down. You know what I mean? Because he talked about that, he talked about Afro B is in decline and everything. You know what I mean? So you know what? Since you talked about the the arrogance thing, we touched on that. Yeah, let's play the video before we now play the video of him talking about he's the best in the last 20 years. So let's talk about the whole ego arrogance thing. Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 46:03

Yeah. Do you guys have these conversations as well? Like you with with other artists, like do you talk to Bernaboy about it? It's like, yo, bro, I believe you and me are like JG and Nas. You're like, like we're double. Did we have this cover? How is that in the in the afro in the afro BC? Do you do you have conversations like these with your colleagues?

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Or is that me, me, me personally, I have a very weird personality. I I really just okay, I'm that guy. I'm just that weird guy. So I don't have a lot of friends. I don't have a lot of friends. Um, I don't talk to a lot of people. It's just very few people, and like those people are people who like really just tried to come into my world and understand where I'm going and be like, okay, okay, yeah, I'm gonna come, I'm gonna forget about myself and just go your direction. And yeah, those are like the people that I kind of have a relationship because like the Afro scene, if I had the Nigerian music scene, it's all about it's ego, it's really, it's a lot of ego. Um and it is hard for me. I have too much of that. It's too much, in as much as like I'm I'm calm. I'm a I'm a chill guy, really. I'm a chill guy, but like I have too much of that that ego and like that pride. And it is hard to make friends like that, you know.

SPEAKER_07 47:33

So it's very honest that you could say that. I I think that's what I like the most about you. You're very honest about what you feel.

SPEAKER_10 47:41

No, no, but no, but I got you doing the listen. This is the thing here. Articulation is everything. Really? Publication is everything. I understand, I kind of understand what he was trying to say, right, in terms of um ego and arrogance in the industry, everybody thinking that they are the guy and everything. I get that, and you can tell he's probably an introvert, right? So, but I think I watched that interview, I said, I like Homale, yeah, but this is the first time, or rather, this is the second time I have thought I've said and I've told that you should not have been in front of that mic. That guy and my mic are not friends, you gotta say the first time was uh tiny desk, yep. I don't think he should have been in front of that mic that day, right? And this is the second time again. You get me? I think I think when you're going in front of the mic, right? I don't know why people don't do this. You gotta think about what you want to say and how you want to say it.

SPEAKER_11 49:04

And um, just to add to what you're saying, not to interrupt you guys, you know, sometimes in life you when you say something, people like, oh, this person is this, they didn't even know what they're talking about. Let's define ego, yeah. Ego is the I or self of any person, a person has thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the self of others from objects of its thoughts. That's one, yeah. So if we were to go to the psychoanalysis of it, it would be the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the ID, which is the yeah, and the demands of the social and physical experience. So, self-esteem or self-image or feelings basically. When you say you've got ego, yes, everyone is gone ego. A little baby has gone ego. What are you saying, my guy? You're you're a grown man. What are you saying? And that's a function. Yeah, if you say I've got in the Nigerian industry, which we know, of course, the average Nigerian guy in that country is waiting to be rich to oppress others, so it's got big ego. So you have to specify for the people that don't understand what you mean by you've got ego. Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_10 50:19

It's let me say I've got eyes, okay, and and more eyes or big eyes, and it kind of sounds wild, right? When you say everybody has ego and everybody is proud, but then in the same sentence, say, Yeah, I got ego. Yeah, it kind of sounds a bit wild. We have and it's gonna have and we cannot sound a bit wild because people can say, Okay, you're a part of the problem, then. Yeah, you're gonna say I think I understand what you were trying to say. Okay, like no, no, no, no, no. We're not gonna do it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_11 50:47

I'm trying to say this page, we're not doing this again. We're not gonna make excuses for grown men and say, I don't understand what you say. If Omale was 17, 16, 15, 14, 32, I'll be like, I don't know. He's a grown man. He we we don't need to do the hard, we don't, we just don't help. Yeah, but you know that we don't know what he's saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 51:06

But you know that some of our people and and articulation, everything is like WWE, bruv. You gotta say it's like UFC, bruv. Have you seen some of these people trying to talk? Have you seen some of them trying to talk? Bro, it's like royal rumble, bruv. Man, I'm done with helping any grown up. No, no, no, bro. Oh, I know what you're trying to, brother. Those days are gone. Sometimes, sometimes you gotta give them grace, bruv. You gotta say, because a lot of them, it's not just him, a lot of them sound crazy. That's all it comes. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them sound crazy, bruv.

SPEAKER_11 51:40

I'm not grace time is over from now on. If you bro, if you walk through a door, grab a mic and speak everything you say, I'll hold you on to bro. You're accountable for your words. Just the same way, if I go and say, I'm gonna kill you, you know, and someone dies, they'll arrest me now because I said it. If I go, oh no, I was just trying to threaten, brother. I'll find myself in prison. Omale meant what he was saying. I do not give a toss about what he thinks about, brother. You said what you said, which is fair. Now, ego, yes, the industry've got big ego. All of them have got big egos. Why? Because they need it to be massaged, you know. It's just like if you have muscle, you know, sometimes it aches.

SPEAKER_10 52:17

And also, and also you need that, you need that ego, yeah, to be able to bring out the greatness in you because you you need to believe up here that that listen, I am him. You get what I mean, and people might not like that. If you look at every great let's talk sports, athlete, you get me, Michael Jordan, Kobe, LeBron James, all them people, like they all think that they are them, which they are them, but they and and it will and is that feeling, that ego that drives them to say, yo, you you are not gonna be able to beat me. Yeah, but they they show it though, yeah. But people will say that Muhammad Ali was talking about he's the best before he became the best.

SPEAKER_11 53:00

Oh no, Mohammed Ali was the best just by him speaking, but that's the thing, people forget. Mohammed Ali was like the one of the first humans to understand psychology, and he knew that okay, I can just play mind games. Mohammed Ali knew that all I have to do is because in that time it was very it was very primitive when we when it came to boxing.

SPEAKER_10 53:20

All I had to do, no one was speaking, everyone just wanted to get into the ring and Muhammad Ali for ah what if Omale thinks what if Omale is playing the same mind games and everything, talking about he's the best before he became the best.

SPEAKER_11 53:33

Now, if Omale had said this before he dropped his first album, I promise you to make more sense.

SPEAKER_10 53:38

No, people will call him crazy because that's fine. You got me you've not even dropped your first body of work. That's fine, that's funny about being the best.

SPEAKER_11 53:44

Exactly. That's the same thing we said about Muhammad Ali. You've not boxed yet, and he started speaking crazy. That's fine, that makes more sense. Kanye did it all his life saying I'm the best. Give me a chance, give me a chance, and he got a chance and proved that's what I'm trying to say. But it took time though. My point is at least people can take and look back to oh, you know, before this guy actually got the mic, he was saying he was the best. You know what? He actually is the best, but this is proven that you're not um an enough you okay, to an extent, is not a uh he's a pioneer to an extent, but not a pioneer, if you know what I mean. Yeah, so he's like he'd drive he's a driving force for a type of sound, but he's not really because people are forgetting that this sound that we are all uh depressed. If you slow it, if you just pick it up a little bit by a few BPMs, that's what Mr. Easy started. Literally, now if you think I'm making up, go and listen to Mr. Easy's old songs and then listen to your Omale's and yeah, serotonin. That is the sound, so it's not necessarily like oh he pioneered something new. No, he's just added, he's contributed to what was already existing and he made it into his, which is fine. Yeah, we've got other artists now doing it because obviously Omale is like the litmus test, right? My point now is if he had said from the start, hey, I'm the best, bro, it's it's okay for people to say you're crazy before you start something. You've been you're now eight years in or seven years in. Suddenly, now you want to be this talkative guy because you're trying to sell an album. No one is buying it, my guy. What are you doing? You know what I mean? Like, this is the thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 55:17

I would love, I would love to agree with you, which I do agree with you in theory, right? But we've seen artists say, I'm the king before they actually was crowned the king, T I Lee Wayne, um um um the best the best rapper alive. He was saying that from when he was young and everything, okay, before he went on that crazy run that he went. Facts. You go, I mean, everybody was calling him crazy, nobody saw that in Wayne, you're right. Kanye West the same thing, okay. You know, Paulo Kanye and everything, Louis Vuitton, all that stuff. Like he spoke all that into existence. People called him crazy, and then eventually over the years, we saw it, right? Maybe that's how Omale feels. It sounds crazy. Even me myself, I listen to Ray, I chuckle, I get it.

SPEAKER_11 56:10

But you're missing something. You've just said everything, you've mentioned the names. Yeah, these guys call themselves best before they actually.

SPEAKER_10 56:16

But that's OMALE, though. Like, like, we don't know where Omale is gonna be in the next 10 years. Okay, you get my point though, like we don't know, honestly. We don't know. You get no one knows.

SPEAKER_11 56:26

You get asking you, he's had a chance to drop this album. You being honest with yourself, is there any like out of this world sound that was in that album? No, exactly. My point when um Kanye said um to people that I'm the best, people thought he was crazy. Guess what Kanye did? He made songs like Can't tell me nothing. He made songs like even went ahead to go la la la la la la la la la la la la la. Hey mama, uh na na na na na. There was no one making songs like that, bro. This is what I'm saying. You it's fine to say I'm not saying he's within his rights as an artist to say whatever. If he likes, he can even say I'm the only artist with one eye. I won't argue with him. Yeah, you can't say something that haven't you've not really shifted anything though, bro.

SPEAKER_10 57:09

The only the only problem that I have with the Omale thing. Let me now let me now flip onto this side, right? But before I do, let me play this the mu the video, and then I will now say how I feel. Okay. Where I kind of feel like he kind of fucked up a little bit. Yeah, let's do this.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Yeah, bro. See, we had the I'm I'm the best in this shit. I'm the best. And I don't want to be bragging too much, but like I'm the best at this. Like when you put my whole the whole um Afrobeat artist category and stuff. You I really don't I'm not I'm never happy when I see myself alongside, like, especially when it comes to art. Maybe I'm not like I'm not the I this I'm not the strongest when it comes to visuals and uh maybe personality, I don't know. Um, but when it comes to art and like making music, like I'm the best of like the last 20 years. The only person that sometimes I I poop myself with is Berna Boy. It's the only person that I be like, okay, yeah. Burner is it's it's really stupid there. Like when it's like when it comes to that burner, it's like really there. But like apart from Berna, like it's me, even like Bernard 2. It's just me. I'm just there.

SPEAKER_10 58:33

And that's what I was trying to say.

SPEAKER_11 58:36

He said, No, I'll be upset if I was Davido. No, forget that. No, no, no. I'll be upset about it. Let's not get there yet. I said that on the space as well. Like, you know how I'll feel if I was his close friend. Or watch guys, I want you to understand that there's a build-up to this.

SPEAKER_10 58:50

Um, when the video reached out to him, according to before that time, but said, yo, uh my list said, Yo, I don't know if that video likes me or whether it's not. I was just about to say that exactly my point. And now you've gone to a head to say, actually, you gotta say, bro. Uh not that them people are on my level, bruv. You gotta say, like, even Bonner Boy, cool, people bring him up and everybody, even him, he's chicken shit. You're gonna say so, those.

SPEAKER_11 59:15

I'd like to ask you the same question again. This is my point. That's exactly where I was driving to. Finally, we've stopped at a place where we can come out, stretch our legs, maybe even put fuel in the car.

SPEAKER_10 59:27

All right. Let me tell you how I feel about that. Okay, especially the whole thing, I'm the best last 20 years type thing. Yeah, he's he's right. He's you know what I'm saying? Yeah, this is how I feel. When I heard that, I kind of had to think a little bit. Yeah, I said, okay, how do we measure greatness? Right? How I measure greatness is at your highest level, because what he said, he took it past this, right? Yeah. So at your highest level of your greatness, was anybody else on that level? Yeah, and when it comes to the duration of it, you know what I'm saying? Was anybody as great as you for this period of time? I'm gonna use this example so that people understand, right? People that play basketball. When Michael Jordan said, or or rather, the reason why people think that Michael Jordan is the greatest is the GOAT, is because for them six years, when he was at his apex, at his peak, got to the finals, nobody could beat him. He went six for six in finals. You know what I'm saying? Everybody said he's the goal. Doesn't mean that he has the the highest points in Ebbie and everything. Like you get what I'm saying? Now, LeBron James, the reason why people compare him to Michael Jordan is for 20 years, this guy has been present, present. Say whatever you want to say, accolades, numbers, everything, he's got that. He's gone to how many finals and everything. Yes, he didn't win none of it or um all of it, but he's been there for a very long period of time, right? So at your height and and the duration, when people are compared to you, right? Was anybody on your level? You get what I'm saying? So to me, when I listen to him speak, now I've got to put you on that, and bro, there is there is no matrix that shows that you you have even scratched the surface. Yeah, you get what I mean? I disagree.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:33

I think he's right though, Bakur.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:38

He's right. You give me so when you say that, I would say, all right, people are like Border Boy have something to say about it. Oh, yes, you get what I mean. People like Whiskey have something to say about that. People like Davido have something to say about that. You give me now. If we go back 20 years, are we talking about Olamide?

SPEAKER_11 1:02:03

Or are we talking about he says he said 20 years, so that's from 2006. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:10

Like, what are we even talking about? Now, let's talk about your mates. Yeah, now forget about them people. It's cheating if you want to bring in them people, yeah. But let's talk about your mates, the terms of the world, the shakes of the world, the remnants, the remnants of the world, bro. What are we even talking about?

SPEAKER_11 1:02:31

You know what? Have you got that video of when he said that? That's why just played, isn't it? No, in terms of that last bit, when he said I'm I'm sorry, let me rephrase what I'm saying. You see the video, you see that last bit? If you listen properly, he said art. So he's talking about his art, right? So that's the making, he's um the process of how he makes his music, the process of making. So if we just stick to the art, it's subjective, I was just thank you. So this is why I'm saying I do not care anymore. As a grown man, if you hold the mic and say something, I'm holding you up to listen, I'm holding account to grace though, bro. Which grace?

SPEAKER_10 1:03:12

I don't give them grace, they don't give me grace.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:14

Why am I giving them grace? By the way, you would think I don't like Omale, but I really do. You see, my top five artists that I would listen to, I'll pay to, which again, proof is there. I've paid my own money to go watch Omale. You know, it's even on my Instagram, it's one of my pinned pictures because I was happy to go there and you know what I'm saying. So this has nothing to do with that, this has everything to do with the gimmicks because I feel like the greatest artists on earth don't even need to do too much, bro. They just let their music do the talking. They just it's like, all right, never mind. Yeah, that's what it is. But once you start forcing people to see you from a an in a different light, it then means that you're not even sure of your own music, you're not sure of your art. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime you make someone have to overthink and you have to bro. Listen, I'm just laughing, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:01

Like, what what is that woman doing doing over there, bro? The way the the way she the way she is stepping at that, bruv. I'm just looking at her laughing at everything. Like, she's trying her best. She's trying she is trying her best. Ah, I see what's going on over there. Okay, enjoy.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:20

Enjoy. No, I'm just saying, like, once an artist starts to do everything else to distract you from their art, yeah. Of course, they're not sure about their artists. Of course, bro. Look at every great artist, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:36

Look at every great artist, Adele. How many times do you hear her name outside music? Drop album go. You know what I'm saying? How many times? You know, how many times? Ashake, drop album. How many times? That's it. That's it. When you start doing all this, I mean, is it's good for marketing, promoting, everything. Actually, it's not good. So social media engine, you know, is good. But when you do that, some of us will now have to be like, hey, you know, even though I believe in giving them grace, because I understand when it comes to articulating themselves and everything, it's hard for some of them. It's hard.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:12

Absolutely. English is not necessarily the first language. So when they speak, they speak from a cultural context.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:17

And I know, and I know that the guy was interviewing will see that they think it was this guy. What was this nigga talking about?

SPEAKER_11 1:05:23

You know, I have a great idea, which I know I'm not an artist, but if I was and I was really good at making music, I would have done something unique stuff on how to drop my album. Things like this will be the ones to like pop up conversations, or should I say, spark up conversations, rather? It would be like I've got like a 10, let's say I've got like a 10 um 10 track album. I'll release my first um single, week one, week two. I'll build it up. So every week, one track off my album will be coming out every week, every week, every week, every week, every week, every week. I think that's even more of a in my opinion, a genius idea on how to drop an. Album, and I think someone should pick up that idea and do it just to see. I don't mean unknown artists or upcoming artists because, of course, that might be quite tough or difficult, but that would build anticipation. You drop track one, people are like, don't like this one. You drop track two next week. Oh, it's on right. You suddenly you're building anticipation. It's even something for people to talk about than you going online and saying things like, Oh, in the last 20 years, I don't think anyone I'm the best at making art. Now, this is the only time I gave him grace because I knew exactly what he meant by that. So in my mind, I was like, he's oh no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:33

We don't give grace. That's what you told me.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:34

No, no, no. This is what I thought to myself then. I'm not talking about now. All right. Then, when I was like, Ah, should I give this guy grace? Ah, let me take my because he's the pro. I'm like, bro, you for where's Too Faced, P Square, D Band. That's what I'm saying, bro. Well, like what are we doing? Bro, we're talking about 20 2006, you know. Yeah, we're talking 2006. Where is that green? Where is Whiskey? Where's Bernard Boy? Where's forget those? Where's even techno? We'll talk about process, bro. Man is talking like he makes music that will change the world, bro. All you talk about is bomb bomb, depression, and the butter nails.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:09

Where the go with uh I like my lady though, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:16

No, I'm not gonna lie, I like him. Anyone, hey, I don't need to say this again, so it doesn't look like I'm I'm begging it. Everyone knows, but I need we need to start pulling up these artists when they say things, bro. What are you saying that is life-changing? Yeah, I would love for an artist to say, yo, this album is the best thing ever. Track three and track four is talking about the the situation in the country, every everything else in the album is bum-bomb and all that stuff, but you take one track out to say, Let me address something. My people are suffering, blah, blah. Nothing like that, bro. Man's here telling me my process in two of that, go punish your process. Go punish your arts, bro. Like, let's be real, man. These people are just here messing people about. There's a lot of things happening in the world where you can, as an artist, you can say, hmm, let me give them 10 bomb bum distraction, and maybe one or two, I'll just make it because that's your reality. Whether you live in Nigeria or not, the people that you want to for them to listen to your music in Nigeria, most of them can't even stream, they can't even pay for this bloody what's it called, streaming platform, internet and shit, yeah. And then you're coming online to say in the last 20. That's an insult. If I was an artist, I swear anywhere I see you, I'll chase you, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:25

But listen, I don't really, I'm not mad at him saying that he's the best though. Like, no, like you're supposed to feel that way.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:31

Yeah, bro. If I said to you I'm the best, and I left it that way, don't you think? Yeah, that's fine. You said he's the best, that's cool. Man added a timeline. Do you know how ridiculous that man said, let me add a timeline to my days on my life. Hey, listen, what you said, I won't I'm gonna judge you on it, but I wouldn't change how I feel about your music. I think genuinely, if we're talking about melody and maybe the cadence to music, substance, let's not do that. Afrobeat, you guys don't do lyrics and stuff, but yeah, you are top five at the moment. I'm not saying for ever or for all time, but at the moment, amongst your set, your class. Yeah, of course. Your peers can't mess with you when it comes to that kind of melody. I said that, bro. Just keep shaving your head, bro. That's it. I guess who and who, no, with the people, no, not so risky, yeah. The necro. Yeah, yeah, like who and who then. Oh, Rema, he's there with Rema. For me, I'll put him, him, Rema, Fireboy, in no particular order. Rema, him, fireboy. Um, I might sneak in Benson, even though my brain, uh no, even though my brain tells me not to, but I might just sneak in because guess what? He's in that crew, innit? It's in that set of people. No, he's in the last set, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:44

Nobody, yeah, nobody. People need to go back on some of these episodes on Eric, bro. Nobody championed Benson. Oh, yeah, facts, yeah, more than me, bro. You know what I'm saying? But bro, listen, I don't know what I this is the first time I'm calling out his name. All these other times that I've I've talked about this, yeah. I've kind of not called out his name and everything, bro. I don't know what's wrong with man, bro. He fell off the name, bro. What like like bro? Are you lazy or something, bro? Yeah, bro. I don't know what you get. Is is Benson lazy or something, bruv? Like, fam, we need some music from this guy. You got what I mean? You're doing every other thing apart from music, apart from music, bro. Look at Remer. Um, um, no, Ruga, Ruga, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:21

That's what I was about to say. I said Benson or Ruga. I was gonna add those five.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:24

Look at Ruga, bro. My man is killing it, right? Like, my man went through um controversy and everything with his label and all that. Everyone counted him out and all that, but you can tell his walk attack. It's crazy, it's crazy. Look at my man doing his thing and all that.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:40

You can hear the substance, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:41

You go up saying, like, it's breaking my heart because I fuck with Benson heavy. But I'm be the first to tell you, I think he's a lazy guy.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:48

Probably.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:49

You got what I mean. I think he's a lazy guy.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:51

He works like the way he sounds, he works the way he sounds like.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:53

You know what I mean? I think he's a lazy guy, bro. How can we go all this time and all that? No music from man.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:58

Real talk, I've never said this.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:00

I don't really and I don't care if people are trying to say, oh, maybe he's trying to do the Kendrick thing because because Kendrick goes for like a long time without music. Nah, I don't think so, bro. No, no, superstar. That's super stuff. You are relatively a new artist, bruv. Yeah, you get what I'm saying? If anything, you should be feeding the streets with music, bruv. You get me. See yourself as a drug dealer, bro. Anytime we come to the streets, we wanna we we wanna get your drugs. Yeah, you get what I'm saying? You're an artist, bruv. I don't give a fuck whether you're losing weight or doing hair or whatever you're doing, bro. We need that music, bruv. You get me? I don't give a fuck whether you have a new girlfriend and everything. Salute to you and your girlfriend and everything, bro. I don't care about none of that. I don't want to see it on my timeline, bruv. And it's for music, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For real.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:41

You know what I'm saying? Fuck with this guy heavy. To be fair, there was no time, that was a time no one could touch this guy. But if this guy is on your tune, it's gone, bro. That's automatic.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:50

Yeah, gone, gone, yeah. For real. What's my man doing right now, bro? Yeah, man, guys, that was him crashing up, and I love that. Yeah, he's gonna have to crash out with that one. To be fair, I'm not um the biggest fan of his music, anyway. I just think it's I just think Benson is yeah, it's alright. But outside that, there's so many other talented artists that need to drop.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:06

Like, Timaya was quiet for a long time. Benson came in, gave him a uh a feature, gave him that, bro. Changed everything. She was out of here.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:14

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 1:12:15

What are we even talking about, bro? Fam, is Afrobeat in decline now? Uh I feel like that that topic has been beat to death already almost every week. Like, cool. Uh um, it was Omale that obviously said that in his listening party thing. The brother just keeps shooting himself in the face. Well, this is what he said, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:37

Enjoying AfroBeat is in Nigeria, it's very good, it's cool, but overseas, Afrobeat is declining. It's facts, it's facts, it's facts. Um, we're doing, I mean, we're doing really great.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:56

But do you know what? That's a lot of noise in the video and everything because that was his listening party and all that, right? So basically, what he's saying was overseas that Afro beats have been in decline, that artists are not being creative anymore, that the way music was in, I believe he said um 2020. Bro, what happened to your camera?

SPEAKER_11 1:13:16

I think it's gone off.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:17

Yeah, okay, cool. That's fine. That's fine. If it's gone off, that's fine then.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:20

Let me confirm.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:22

So basically, um, he said that um the artists are not being that creative and all that. Yeah, that obviously um the way music was in 2020 is not the way music is today. I don't see what the way yeah, that's what he said.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:39

The way because it was noise, I heard the decline. But he said the way music was in 2020, yeah, it's not the way it is. Brother, what do you expect? What is this brother talking about? Yeah, six years ago, and and six years later, it's not gonna be the same when he came into the scene. Um, it was a fresh of breath well, air in a sense, because that's not uh like a prominent sound at that moment, so it took everyone by surprise, and plus everyone was at home, yeah. So people had time to like digest his music and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:10

Yeah, TikTok and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:11

Thank you. Now we're all out, everyone is out and about, no one's got time to sit down and listen to an album that they're not gonna take much from. It's just like a good time vibe where people release music every Friday, so there's no even time for people to sit with music anymore.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:25

So of course, yeah. Your music has to be that good to break through the noise. Facts, because at that time, pandemic and everything, just like you said, everybody was at home, there was not a lot of noise.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:34

People were looking, thank you, consciously looking for something to to distract them and help them. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 1:14:41

Yeah, and then just coming across this new sun and everything, everyone like yo, and exactly, and it happens to be essence at the time, thank exactly, you know.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:48

Yeah, so a lot of things were happening, and that's because everyone was at home, so there was this massive boom from Africa from like um from Africa via social media. So the Americas, the Europe's, everywhere started feeding into our algorithm and started seeing, oh wow, so these guys are really that creative because they had time to now sit at home and watch our stuff. Before it's the is a case of scroll past now, you're forced to sit at home because you haven't got nothing to do. So then now people are they've taken notice of your sound, and you fast forward to six years later, you're saying it's declining. I get the idea of this decline, meaning we're not as prominent as we were in 2000 in 2022.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:30

Now, my question to you is is it that we decline or or it has come back to where it belongs? Um, yeah, like it kind of went the the market went like that, yeah. And then and then it does not come back to where it belongs again.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:44

It's a dip, and plus, this is what happens when you guys believe in your we make Afrobeat is not um music, it's not um music that has lyrical content, so it's just for vibe. How long can you vibe for?

SPEAKER_10 1:15:59

And also, I agree with you. Another thing is you know, part of what's happening to our music is a lot of some of our artists are trying to sound like them.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:13

I was just about to say what I mean.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:15

Why would I want to come if if I'm an American, yeah, why would I want to come and listen to you? Well, I can go and listen to Travis Scott, I can go and listen to Leo Uzva, I I can go listen to to um these other guys and everything, yeah. Bro, you are trying to be like them, yeah, be like you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, and that's the problem with some of the artists, they are trying so much to sound and be like and and dress like the Americans and everything. And I get that, cool, like like it's cool, like the the the aesthetic of it is nice and all that stuff. But when it comes to the music side of things, a lot of us are chasing sounds now. Yeah, a lot of us are not sitting down and creating shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:52

That's what I'm saying. There's no creation to the music. You know, there's some songs you listen to case in point, essence. Just listen to the song. You can hear that this was really well constructed, like it was there was a structure, layer, foundation. You know, you know what the song is about. You can tell someone a story about the song, where you were when you heard it, how it made you feel during that period, blah blah blah. The songs now is just moment, these are all moment songs. So the other the other for about two months or so, my um my Bodina Meets Pie was like everywhere, right? And that was it. Now we're not really talking about that. If it comes up in a club, people dance because just for the sake of uh beat is all vibe is a song, then they could easily do the call and response thing, oh but my budina meets pie. But outside that everyone is moved on, yeah. And the fact that people are moving on quickly from songs that get obviously they get dropped on Friday, that don't mean it's a decline. It's thing people want something new. There's a difference between decline, decline means ain't no one listen to Afrobeats. We didn't even have this podcast about Afrobeats, nothing about Afrobeats, but Afrobeats is still out there, which means as long as you're African and you make a song, the Western will just bunch you guys up as Afrobeats. It's still there. Yes, we're not making TikTok popular music like we did. Calm down. That don't mean we're declining, that just means that's a sign, guys. Go back into the studio, be creative, and just create something really nice, something that someone can sing, bro. Adele music will live forever. Tempse's music will that's what I'm saying. These people are making music that would feed and take their great great grandkids to school, literally. Yeah, you're making uh uh uh uh guess what's gonna happen in 10 years? Another young kid is gonna come up and do uh uh uh times three, and people like, oh yeah, you remember when Omale did this, but everyone has moved on, yeah, and that's the problem. So it's not declining now. Man is saying things like alphabet is declining in the list. Why? Because you say you've got ego. Nah, man, he's moving mad, bro. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:55

Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's just one M1 because you could say over the years, I'm a piano came, everybody dropped on it, I'm a piano vibe. Yep, um, drill came, everybody wanted to jump on it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just one M1. I just think people, there was a period where everybody sounded different. When you hear the banch, you know it's the band. Oskar banch, like my Joey Fans go call me. You know what I'm saying? When you hear Two Face, it's different. Yeah, when you hear Peace Square, it's different. One day, different. You know what I'm saying? Everybody was waste, yeah. Everyone had a lane, yeah. Everyone had a lane. You know, now it feels like everybody's trying to do the same thing again. You know what I'm saying? So I just think people, just like you said, need to go back and be creative in that. You get me for real, man. Yeah, bro. But listen, salute to my man though. Yeah, go check out his new music and that, bro. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Um, great conversation. Dremo, just before we leave. A lot of people were sending me the Dremel clip and everything where he said that he didn't get money from from DMV and everything. I was like, listen. Oh, you mean DMW? DMW, yeah. You get me. I I watched the clip and everything, yeah. I said, how are you gonna get money if you if you never know if you sign a contract? You gotta be my man asked, did you sign a contract? Um, yeah, um no, no. Uh uh, bro. How you supposed to get paid, bruv? You never know if you sign a contract. Dremo, you get me. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:15

Shout out to Dremel. I think his song he released yesterday. No, is it this week? It's actually one of the best songs I've heard in a while. It's talking about the situation in Nigeria, which is so important, and it's a vibe tune. You know, it's a vibe tune. Is that a clip you want to play? Yeah, I'm looking for it, bro. Let's continue. Yeah, it's a vibe tune, and I mean that's exactly what you need because not the not too long ago, Dremo had an amazing moment with his um man-to-man challenge, you know, amazing. Every rapper going most rappers got involved. It was a big thing, you know. Even dropped a mixtape of everyone that did a cover, which is clever. So he had a massive moment. So he's a very good artist, but just because you're a good artist don't mean everyone has common sense. You go online and say, Did you sign up?

SPEAKER_10 1:20:58

Did you sign? Listen, let me play that shit, bro. That shit was so fun. I was I wasn't shaking my head.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:03

My manager is always shaking his head when I say that. Yeah, I'm shaking my head. I just feel like he's like they'll give you money, hold you down. Oh no, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:15

Was that when you went through with your last label?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:21

No, they didn't give me money now. But that label didn't give me money.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:25

Oh, the DMW. Yeah, no, no, no, it was based solely off of what you did. Yeah, own work.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:32

Yeah, just your work.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:34

It was like um a platform, yeah. So but you had a deal. What deal, bro? You didn't have a deal with DMW. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. How many years later?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:49

I don't forget to. How many years? Five years, I'd be uh three years, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:55

Listen, the guy was interviewing. Yeah, go and watch the video, bro. Maba was like, as that guy was doing that, Maba looked like like you could tell if he took off his shades, he would be like, Yo, what the fuck? Yeah, go a bit. I saw the you don't know how many years was your deal. You don't even know if you if you had a deal. You go, I mean, of course you're not gonna get paid.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:14

He literally went there to do cleanup crew. I swear what Dremel did, I just I depicted that, like I visualized in my head. It's like he dashed water on the floor, mopped it, dashed water on the floor, mopped it, and then let everybody bro, I don't feel bad for a lot of these people, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:28

I told you, I don't feel bad for the new.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:30

I get it. Some of them are from backgrounds where they don't have much, so and I know if I was in that position as well, I might be a victim. Because the truth is, if I've not eaten or seen anything for five days and you give me three thousand dollars and say, drop this, brother.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:44

Fam, the problem is, bro. Fam, the problem is a lot of these artists move movie. Oh, I have seen my savior, you know. Who who go help you, no go stress you? I have seen my savior. You get me, and they forget that this is a fucking business, bruh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get what I'm saying? How do you expect to get paid?

SPEAKER_11 1:23:01

Because they're not educated enough about that, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 1:23:03

And then I'm listening I keep on saying this. A time will come out, we're gonna hear this type of stories over and over and over, and then also another flip software. I'm just gonna touch it and then move on and everything. Yeah, bro. You are shooting yourself in the foot, yeah, if you go and sign to a well-established artist, an active artist, and and an active artist. You go what I mean, and you guys are in the same level. What do you see? What do you think is gonna happen?

SPEAKER_11 1:23:33

Yeah, the only person that allowed to do it was Olami D.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:36

That was it, bro. The the label is gonna take the good music and give it to this guy, bro. We we are here to make money, bruv. You know what I'm saying? And we saw Crayon cry about it, you know, we've seen Ruger cry about it, you know. A lot of these guys have cried about it and everything, but that's that's what's gonna happen. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 1:23:53

Shoot them a bail though, like I said, if you didn't have much and someone was to approach you with it's not obviously it's not necessarily lucrative, but just something that is something you've never seen before. Of course, you take it. It's later on when you're in it, you start to go, uh-oh, maybe have I made a mistake here.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:11

But you gotta be smart and everything, yeah. If we're on that label, yeah, and label says shit, bro, these are banger, let's give it to this was uh this well-established artist. At least give me some writing credits, bruv. Facts, so that I can eat from that. Facts, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 1:24:25

It's crazy how they're all disbanded as well, like that whole DMW crew. It just didn't work, did it work?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:30

You got what I'm saying? Because all the focus, the spotlight is on Davido. Of course, he is rightfully so. Yeah, he's the biggest artist, the biggest fish in there.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:38

Yeah, it's just a shame, though. It's just a shame that Dremel, again, guys. If you I think um, yeah, the song, yeah, this week or so, or whatever. I don't know. It's a new song, the latest song from Dremel. Very good tune. The beat is on point. Yeah, he's he's a very good artist, and I feel like we need more of that. That's what I'm talking. Mix it with your all right. Come on, man. You know, that's how to do it, in my opinion, anyway.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:59

And I think just just sign your deals and remember if you signed your deal, and remember how many years your deals are for. That's it. Don't love me, don't love me, don't love me.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:17

Don't forget to.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:18

Yeah, don't forget, don't forget to don't be going on a bit because because you're here, they are asking yo, bro, but you signed the deal with three, four, five, five.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:26

I can't remember. I can't man, the pigs are pigs are flying. Ah, the beds are uh hey.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:33

I keep on telling people, bro, go and watch that video of Ashake. I think he was at the radio station, and he he would have been crying to you, but you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 1:25:41

But thank god Alamide had a conscience, man. I'm telling you, bruv. And shout out to Lamide for being active and also just being selfless and say, you know what, bro? I'll let you do this because I know I'm gonna cook with you.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:51

Yeah, I mean that shit is hard. He had to step back on my life, he had to sacrifice his career a little bit for people like Fireboy and Ashake to be at the forefront on my life.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:03

That is the man on earth that should be telling me in the last 20 years that no one can touch his art. Then I can go, I get what you're saying. That's that's that's it. Yeah, don't come here and tell me your last 20 years not uh, bro. Impact the impact is there outside the air if I go out on the street. I say, Do you know Omalido? Sorry, what's that? What's that, brother? Nobody know you like that, bro. Let's not be acting like you're like um the biggest known, biggest fish out here. I like omalado. I'm not gonna lie. Hey, Omale, if you come to London today, I'll be at your show because I like but me, I want people to tell me the truth, and I'll tell them the truth too. Let's let this year. I told you, I told you, Tobs. This year I'll tell the truth, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:42

What nothing but the truth to help you? What bro?

SPEAKER_11 1:26:46

Even Fireboy, not a lot of people know him. It's not, guys, it's not a bad thing. At least you have a few fans that know you around the world. When I say if I go out there in the club now and go, do you know whiskey? I'll come on out of 10 people, eight people know. Do you know Bonaboy? Out of 10, 8 people. Do you know Davido? Yeah, now if those guys come out and say in the last 20 years, I might still disagree, Bob. Like, hmm, I see, I see what you're saying. I get it, I get it. Oh my lie, um, or my lay. Not you now, bro. Come on, let's let's go back to what we know you. Let's go back there, yeah? Yeah, let's go back there. Love, bro. Love, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:22

Peace, yo. You get me, let's go. Listen, bro, it's been a good one, though, bro. Hey, we're here. Come on, United. Yeah, bro. You get me, come on, us.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:35

Come on, boss, boss, boss.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:37

But you know what? Listen, salute to every single of you out there, bro. You gotta say that's crazy, bro. You get me, yeah, bro. You already know this is Fresh Out the Boat Show. Come on, it's your boy Toby. Banks and your boy Banks. We're gonna see you guys next week. Hopefully. You get what I'm saying? By God's grace and stay safe out there. Remember to. Subscribe to the channel, watch the videos, leave a like, leave a comment, come on, and share these videos with your friends. On to your next time. Peace out.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:25

Highs and lows. I bet you through a lot, I know Hides and Lows. Then you never let me go. Ain't nobody bigger than the program. T you bigger than the program. Five max fast to a slow champ. Big love, critical roadmap. You said I love you and I love it back. So I break your heart, I have a heart attack. We separated, but we made it back. Highs and lows, hides and lows. Don't let me know.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:25

Don't let me go put you to a luck and no. Don't let me go. Don't let me go put it to a luck and know.