Ep 299 | For The Culture?

In today’s episode of Fresh Off The Boat, we’re diving deep into the biggest conversations shaking up music and pop culture right now!

Chris Brown’s Brown album review. Davido announces a musical break but why now? Could this be connected to the highly anticipated Chris Brown collaboration? 

Does Burna Boy need a break from music? With constant albums, tours and controversies, has Burna Boy become overexposed or is he still operating at elite level? 

Pitchfork reviews Asake’s Money album. Did Pitchfork finally understand Asake’s artistry or completely miss the mark? 

Complex releases its Most Powerful Hip Hop Podcasters list. Who deserved their spot? Who got snubbed? And where does the future of hip hop media go from here?

Plus more trending conversations from the worlds of Afrobeats, hip hop, entertainment and music culture. 

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SPEAKER_11 0:00

Yes sir! Let's go! Yes, sir!

SPEAKER_15 0:05

We're here though. We're here though. You already know what time it is. It's your boy Toby and your boy back to get me. Let's go. Let's go, yo boy.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

See breezy. Yes, sir. Let's go time.

SPEAKER_13 0:43

You could be anywhere in the world, but you're right here with us right now, you get me. For sure, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_15 0:52

Listen, bro, my man, he's put him in the mood right now, bruv. You get me? C B week, bruv. Let's go play. You can be in the UK. You can be in Lagos.

SPEAKER_13 1:11

You can be in Nigeria, Ghana, the US. You could even be in the moon. Hey, hey, they're listening.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Yeah, yeah. Oh yo boy. Oh yo boy.

SPEAKER_07 1:49

Let me breathe up.

unknown 1:50

Everybody gotta be a big one.

SPEAKER_15 1:52

We gotta fight with this ball with stuff, though.

SPEAKER_07 2:08

I don't need to fool. I don't need to flop. I've been giving it this way. I've been breaking these bugs. Don't understand me.

SPEAKER_15 2:21

Bro, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. Let's vibe to this shit, bro. Look at your phone, bro. How can you be looking like a phone while we're playing Chris Brahm, bro? Bro, because I am already in the zone. You're not in the zone, bro. I promise you. How can you be in the to anyone watching? How can you be in the zone? Guess what? Chris Brahm is playing. I'll be honest with you guys, guess what I'm looking? I'm actually looking at my notes on adequate gold. And nobody gives a shit. It's Chris Brahm, bro. You know what? To be fair, CB is my go. No. He cannot be your go, bro. Everybody cannot be your go. Takes my man in the zone, bro. This this is one I'm rather, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm my thinking, fam. What? I'm on this. Yo, it's singing the gospel, bro. It's C B bro. I'm not gonna lie. Uh shout out to all my guys out there. C listen, you know, C Breezy is the guy, innit? You know, Brown, that's the name of the album. But I'll be honest with you guys. Yeah, I was just making sure I did not delete my notes. I have some hot takes, but you're right, it's about CB. I was like, bro, these takes are hot. You know, let me just keep that to my I hear that. But let's go, let's go. I hear that though. Bro, I was there searching for as when wait, did I delete that? Wait, did I delete this? I said, Yeah, nice, let's go. Bro, when you're talking about good music and good music, good music, man. Let's go, let's go. When you're talking about good music and everything, bro, I've been vibing today's album. Yeah, 27 tracks, bro. That's crazy. That's Chris Brown, man. Chris Brown is all about output. 27 tracks is not put. He's one of the few people that still do that actually still do this now. Like, I'm talking about putting out an album with like about 25 tracks 50 tracks, bro. He treats it like drugs, man. Man just flood the street. Bro, man said, Let me just feed the street. I remember back then, yeah. I think it was a couple years ago, where there was news that came out that he actually told his label that he wanted to drop like an album with 100 tracks. They were like, I don't be surprised. They were like, Yeah, the fucking. He has a he has a he has a studio in his house. So all he has to do is just go downstairs. Producer, you ready? Let's do it. Uh, I get the take on the fact that some of his songs sound very similar, but I'll be honest with you guys. I know you might come across biased, but yo, Chris Brown is the only human on earth that can be monotonous and it's fine by me. The guys, I'm sorry. I'm I'm fine with it. Anyone else, do not dare, don't try it. Brother, 27 songs, bro. You know some wouldn't bang, but yeah, of course. It's garr. Do you know what that means? It's guaranteed that one of my songs will be on the charts. Yeah, but it's uh the odds are so high. Oh, of course, of course, of course. Of course, and and also that someone like I believe he started this a little bit back when like the whole cancer culture shit and everything. Oh, yeah, yeah. He just wanted to drop it, I'm just gonna just drop it, you know. But the thing is, it's a gamble because in one way you have to be sure of your product by knowing, okay, out of 27 tracks, yeah, at least about 15 is gonna bang. You know what I'm saying? But then at the same time, a lot of people will not want to do that. A lot of people will be like, yo, let's streamline this, let's trim this down to about 11, 12, and everything. You know what I'm saying? So it's just one of them was because a lot of the songs are gonna be like a throwaway song, obviously. You get what I mean, but a lot of them still will bang. But then at the same time, I'm like thinking, bro, this guy got hits, yeah. He's got too many sleepers as well. And you have the tour coming up with Osher. I wonder how he's gonna be able to, he has to go to the hits at this point. No, that's what he does in his tours, though. No, no, no. Some of the songs and everything, he goes to the to the like the B tracks and uh maybe his favorite songs because artists do have their favorite songs, and I feel he has so many sleepers as well. Like, there's so many songs you're gonna sleep on, so many songs people have slept on. Yeah, Chris Brown has got a high amount, high amount of sleepers, bro. Like, just people are like, Oh, yeah, this one, oh my day, bro. He's got too many, bro. But my saying is right, this opcom and um this store which we're usher now, he has to go to the hits. Like, like there's no time for sleepers, there's no time for B tracks, you have to go to the bangers because you're talking about you and Usher, it's like versus now, isn't it? Yeah, it's like versus it's like versus, but people are there for both of them, really. I'll be honest with you again, which is what versus is though. Like when you think I mean that's what they've ruined it, they've ruined it to that stage now. Before it was really competitive, now it's just friends, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't want to see that, bro. That's not that wasn't the premise of the show, but you guys' money and all that stuff. Money always ruins stuff, you know. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, but for me personally, is the fact that Chris Brown can now how do I put this? Okay, Chris Brown is the only yeah, he is the I think he's the only one, really, not him alone. There's a few guys, but let's just stick on Chris Brown now. He he enjoys the halo effect, whatever he does, like Chris Brown is them guys, yeah. Between one and ten, no matter what he does, the least he's gonna get down to is five. Like, do you know how crazy that is? That is so crazy, you know. So much so because people believe in his brand. Do you get it? So it's like even if he does some dead song, he's still the level that's uh that guy is too good, man. But listen, you're talking about Usher though. Who's that? You're talking about Usher right now. Are we talking about Raymond? Yeah, bro. I don't care what nobody says, bro. Yeah, Chris Brown has to come with his A game, A plus game. Absolutely, absolutely you know what I'm saying? Because, bro, the last thing I know it's on friendly flooding shit, you know, Arabic shit, but there is also like the conversation has been going on for a long time. Chris Brown or Usher, Chris Brown, Usher, right? That's a bit of a friendly competition there. You know what I'm saying? Somebody has to stand out, more like prodigy and mentor, but hey I wouldn't go that far though. I'll go that far because when Usher was doing it, I guarantee you Chris Brown was in his obviously if you're talking about age in his father's bull sack, yeah. If you thought about age, though no, if you're talking about age, but I'm talking about age, I'm talking about experience, being in the industry way before. Of course, usher's been in the industry, bruh. I want people to know, but that's why Chris Brown has to come my way, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:44

My way, you know what you said that, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 8:47

Um at some point said that I believe it was either my way or something that he hated the song. I forgot what's the one. I think it's my way, you're right. But like in that era, he said he hated that song. A lot of artists hate their hit songs because that's not what they wanted to do. The label just like, just do it, do it, do it. It sounds sick, it sounds sick. But what you just said about the whole, like, you know, mentor and all that shit, that's the reason why Chris has to be on his head again, bro. Yeah, but that but then again, Chris actually really respects Usher. Remember them times it two years or three years ago where they had this fight at the skating ring? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they sorted it out. They're they're friends, bro. They they really like each other, they respect each other, and rightfully so, you know. Both dancers, RB, Girlis, Sweet Boys. Yeah, do you get me? What Chris Row album would you say is the best album so far? I played the fifth. What, brother? This guy has for me it's heartbreak. Oh, that's a good shout. For me, it's heartbreak. That's a good shout. Not even close. That's a good shout. So heartbreak is that what bro? When you go back, go listen to album again, bro. Heartbreak on a full moon or something. Yeah, bro. You know what's good. That album is crazy. Chris Brown is so good, right? Chris Brown convinced me to like a style, convinced me to like a sound that I wasn't really a massive fan of. When he did uh what's the name of this album? His album that he did uh everywhere, everywhere, the idiom, yeah, yeah, everywhere I go, bro. Do you know that tune is such a banger? Is it that tune is such a banger, bro?

SPEAKER_13 10:26

Like everywhere I go.

SPEAKER_15 10:30

That idiom era was so crazy. Bro, it's beautiful people, bro. I was so sick of that era though. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was so sick of that era because Chris Brown was doing it, Osha was doing it, everyone did it. Nicki Minaj was doing it. Everyone did that. Black IPs are no um Will I am was doing it. Facts. Um who else did that? A lot of people were just that was I was so sick of that was in 20. That's 2013, 14, 15. Around that time, yeah. Please, can you do me a favor, please? Because this gets me in a better me than anything. Yeah, can you play fine china? Even this for 30 seconds, Chris Brown, bro. Guys, this brother is Usher. You shouldn't be doing this tour with this brother, man. Bruh, allow it. Usher, I can't be doing this, bro. Bro, allow that, allow that. That's blasphemy, right there, bro. I love to wipe you back.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

I love oh my taste. Oh my days, what are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_15 11:26

What oh come on! Oh shit, hearing this, I'm sure. I don't want to do this.

SPEAKER_06 11:33

My one baby. What my god is that back in the door is money, and I'm gonna wasted what that was a tune, though.

SPEAKER_15 11:57

The chorus alone just tells you Bro, that was a tune. That was a tune, that was a tune, bro. But fam, it's Chris Breezy, bro. It's Chris Breezy. What like what can you say? It's right. I don't know. No one should ever say they want to do a versus vis this brother, except one person, the guy he was paying homage to Michael Jacondi. What Michael Jackson is the only one even with that, yeah. Even with that, bro, even with that. You know what? Even in that, yeah, even with that talk, yeah. I had to really sit down and watch the whole um Michael movie and all that, right? And I started thinking, I damn near forgot the the the armies, the greatness of Michael, right? When I was a kid, obviously, right? Bro, I'm sorry. See that what people say about this person is the next Michael Jackson. Oh no, no, no, no, no. I've never entertained you. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. We can't do that. We need to dead that talk. We can't even do that, bro. Bro, we need to dead that talk. It was the Was the talk alive? Bro, is it never time? Yeah, and and I fell into that too, yeah, because I was part of people that say, Yo, Chris Brown's the next Michael Jackson. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, but listen. No, no, no, no. You can say maybe the closest or whatever you want to, but next, no, no, no, no. Allow that shit, bro. That's why I said the only person I think he can do verses against is between Michael Jackson's songs and Chris Brown's song. All of this. Even like that, we need to do that too, bro. Yeah, we know we can't, bro. We need to do that. I just want people to understand that Chris Brown is not human, bro. You know, verses about hits, bro. Michael is not human. We know that already. Michael was sent Michael Jackson was sent to the world to end the phoenix, right? When you look at some of them stages at the time that he was performing on, yeah, and think about where they were at the time, yeah, and how he tried his best to make it so futuristic as well, right? But the choreography, you can tell, like it's not as polished and and all like it is today. But at the same time, yeah, the level, the bar is so fucking high, bro. Please, bro. From the age of 12, 13, I didn't know how to articulate myself really well as an adult in the sense where now I strongly believe aliens actually have been existing for the longest time. And the only thing that they could do to survive amongst us is they had to be in human form. Michael Michael Jackson, clearly an alien, messy, clearly an alien. Michael Jordan, brother, these people are not real, man. They just do things. You're looking, you know when you look at a guy do something and go, Yeah, I'm never doing that. It's calm, it's calm, it's all right. I'm not doing that. Crazy though. That's wild, bro. Crazy. So wild, bro. Crazy. Nah, but but listen, bro, that shit. I had to go back. I started remembering shit. I was like, yo, like comparing anyone to Michael is disrespectful. That's blasphemy, bro. It's blasphemy, bro. That's blasphemy. I think the way the world is going, I know it might not happen, but I think this they should implement this. I think in the next 30-50 years, we should start arresting people for saying crazy stuff. Yeah, no, I'm not I'm not for you. I'm not all that you're crazy as hell with that bullshit, bruv. No, we need to start arresting people. Nah, bro. Nah fam. I swear that. So you want them to to to to impede people's um freedom of speech. No, no, no. You're missing the point. So there's a difference between foolishness and freedom of speech. I know they both start with F. Yeah, yeah. Foolishness and freedom of speech. Yeah, be foolish. If I know, bro. Be foolish. This is what you are. This is what it is, right? I feel the next stage for social media platforms is you in your input your your passport or any any form of identification, right? And also after that, your takes, yeah, you can give wild takes. But when we start to bother around uh Michael Jackson and this guy, just send police quick, quick, quick. Nah, I'm not being that guy up. I don't try to share pick, you know, you have to see people on on on X in under the comments. You see how people abuse that. They just you just pick him up, he just writes the pot. Deport. Yo, nah, bro. I feel like man, 30 bg and these guys will abuse that deport. Damn, I know I picked that guy up, he needs to go. Nah, bro. Shout out to C Breezy, man. Nah, bro, like crazy. I have a take, yeah. I have a take because someone said that to me, but I was thinking about it, yeah. Someone said if Chris Brown kind of stuck to RB and not too much into um collabing, uh rather uh collaborating with like rappers and all that shit, yeah. He probably would have been maybe more higher than he is today. Wait, wait, wait, let me understand that. But that if he stuck to like RB, yeah, all them sort of songs like just keep it straight, singing RB on a all those sort of things, and not do a lot of collab with like rappers and all that shit. Yeah, he probably would have been higher than he is today. Okay, I don't know how true it is. I don't think so because you know he's not got that many collaborations with rappers. Like he's his RB is got a different style to it. His RB is more leaning towards the pop side. That's what a lot of his songs you can play in some gathering and dance to. Do you get it? Of course, he can do the RB because he's got the voice for it. You know, he's he came into the scene with his if you see I can run it, run it. We know he's a pop art and pop um pop act, we know that, and also we know his uh um his inspiration. So it's gonna be hard for him to do just RB. Someone like Chris Brown has got whatever he's got, any form of ADHD, which is a superpower, by the way. Yeah, he's not gonna stay in the place. The brother wanna be an artist like graffiti, he wants to sing, he wants to act like the people like that. You can't just box them. Absolutely. Impossible. Absolutely. Nah, it's it's what someone said. I was thinking about it. I said, hmm. No, no, no. That's an interesting thing. He's like, I'm happy he did it the way he did it, bro. That's why he could sell out stadiums. That your goats cannot sell out stadiums. Like, brother, when you guys are talking about the stadium tour, Brizzy just in the corner going, Really? Did you go South Africa? Did you sell out? Okay, interesting. Interesting. Brother, this guy doesn't do arenas, bro. Interesting. Yo, I was surprised. Now, this man's surprised about this album that just dropped, yeah. You see how switch we how fast we switch it to Afrobeat. I'm I'm surprised that Davido is not on the album, though. Yeah, I don't I didn't I don't want even David O to be on there because apparently at least the track though. No, I apparently they've got a joint collaboration coming, so there'll be no point. They've gone uh I got a take on that! Okay, I got a take on that. Okay, yeah. So the other day, yeah, Davido came out and said that he's taking a break from music. What type of break? Well, I guess we'll ask him in it. Let's play the video real quick, yeah. Yeah, you're asking me, I'm a Davido. Say hey David. Explain yourself. I'll tell you. So let me just pull you up real quick, yeah. Because video somewhere. So Davido came out the other day and said that he's taking a break from music, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 19:25

This is the video.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Stop asking me when I'm dropping. I'm on a musical break. Like I said, music breaks.

SPEAKER_15 19:54

So he said, Stop asking me when I'm gonna drop. Yeah, I'm on a musical break right now. Yeah, even when you go to the club right now, out of 20 songs, yeah. 10 is my song that is on the rotation. Sorry. Yeah, okay, cool. I feel like Davido is on this quote unquote break because the next work that is gonna drop will be his collab with Chris Brown. Yeah, that's what he's no, I mean, it's not, I guess it's your take, but it's that's not really a take in the sense because he kind of alluded to that a long time ago. So said, Oh my next with Chris Brown, we get it. And now, of course, it would make no sense for them to have for David O to be on an album, but then that kind of there's a wear and tear to to get that kind of thing. I think it would be nice to see him on the album, even if it's a track, right, for the Afro Beast scene or wherever the case is. Cool. But when I when I was thinking about that, I said, hmm, he's not on this album. Then he alluded a couple months ago that they got something coming together, and now he's saying that he's on a musical break. I think he just wanna do the thing where he's away from the scene, you know, the fans are gonna miss him, the people are gonna look for him and everything.

SPEAKER_13 21:05

And then the next time you see him, yeah, boom, he's on the album with Chris Brown.

SPEAKER_15 21:08

That makes more sense, really. Which I love it. That makes more sense because you then create the demand, you know, the supply. You know, again, like I said, Chris Brown is an he he is an anomaly where he can do this and just release 27. The other day he's dropped a song. Do you get it? You don't you can't really get bored of Chris Brown because he's so good. His dexterity when it comes to music is just different. Yeah, it's hard. Some of our artists you get bored because guess what? The subject matters that's to that you know, really, and that's something the Afro Beast genre is suffering from. It's like there's no yeah, there's no spark. It's like everyone talking about the same thing. Literally. Do you know what I mean? Everyone wants to sound a certain way. People are chasing whatever they're chasing because that's what it is, I guess. But that's yeah, so for David O, man, bro, bro, can we not can we not? Say out of 20 songs, your song is 10, brother. Come on, man. But he's got hits though. Hey, you see now? You see what I'm saying? There's a difference between you having hits and you saying half of the songs played in a club is all yours. Half of it, bro. Do you know what that means? Yeah, I get it. In the Afrobi scene. Hyperbole. I get it hyperbolic. No, in the Afrobi Sing. Right now, in the Afro, playing 20 songs in the club. We're not come on, let's not do that, man. I wouldn't put it past, bro. I wouldn't put it past. I wouldn't put it past them. Davido, 30 BG people would get upset and say, I've told you he doesn't like David O. There's no one on earth that I like more than Davido, Bernard Boy, and Whiskey, bro. I love them equally. Why do I feel like you're capping? I'm not capping. That's why do I feel like it's cap? Bro, I can tell you for free why I love David Do. Davido is bro, you've called Chris Brown, you've called Michael Jackson, you've called all the names of the mind. But then now you now said, bro, there is nobody I love is mother, Chris Brown. Yeah, bro. I feel like it's never said Chris Bro. I said there's no one I love more than David Doe, Wiz Kid, and Burnaby. I still feel like it's not cap, it's facts. Hey, brother said, and I get it, it's in the and we say a lot of things when we're in the hit, we're like in the hit of the moment, or when we're like having a we're having we're in a situation where we need to respond immediately to shut people down or whatever. And I get it, it's hyperbole. You're you're exaggerating. We get it. 20 songs, then you 10 as you are yours. So do you bro, do you know how many songs have been spun in the club right now? Bro, we are talking about an Afrobeats Nigerian club. And I'm telling you, do you know how many songs have been spun right now? Bro, I wouldn't put it past. I wouldn't pass, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I wouldn't put it past, yeah, a Nigerian DJ, yeah. When you go to a place like Obi's house or whatever the case is, right? Bro, I wouldn't put it past them. Bang, bear Davido's. I'm not disputing that. No, we're not disputing that. Um Bonner Boy song. I'm just saying it's not a crazy take. No, it's not a crazy take. I'm just saying, brother, we need to chill. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, you bro, anyone can say what they want to say. That's my point. Yeah, 20 songs. I know for sure. DJs are gonna consider transition, they're gonna consider BPM. So there's a lot of songs that you're gonna play, yeah, that is not something that hits. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's so many artists in the scene right now and have got hits, and that's what DJs will want to play. Now, what if the DJ you are looking up to at that moment does not like Davido? That's different. That's a different thing. That's what I'm saying. This is a broad, it's very hey, listen. If I just in my opinion, again, it's not that big of a deal, guys. So relax, keep your penis in your pants, bro. Forget about the fans. We let's have that conversation. No, no, no, yeah, because they are watching us, so we have to address them. My point is this, right? If you then say, listen, if you go to the clubs, my songs are being played in the club. Hey, I can't even a dumb guy would never argue that. We say 20 songs, 10. Yeah, no, see, no, no, see, okay, you're hanging up on the number. I get it, right? You're hanging up on the number, but I'm but I'm saying, yeah, when I actually think about it, in the scene, it's not impossible. In the scene, it is not impossible, of course, because it it is a very handful of people that have more hits than Davido. Facts, it is a handful of people that have more hits than Wiz Kid or Bonaboy, yeah. You know what I mean? Like very, very, very, very, very few. A few people, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it wouldn't be crazy for me to say, and also he's probably speaking from his experience, right? When he's in the club, when he's in the club, a DJ might be like, yo, the or rather MC will be like yo, David's in the club and everything. And then out of 20 songs, they might play 10. Thank you. That's my point. So my point is it's not a crazy thing because he's speaking it from his experience. Exactly. And I'm talking from a point of an I'm talking from an objective point. Yeah, David Os in the club, naturally, the DJ will like to suck up to him, naturally, because he's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how these people are. Now, I'm talking about no one, he's not in the club. This is a normal Afrobeat space, this is a normal party space, and people are playing Afrobeats, 20 songs. There's so many bangers, bro. Yeah, now if you say, Oh, listen, out of 50 songs, guarantee 10, for sure. You know, that's one fifth. That's for sure. Fair enough, fair enough. For sure. 20, or gotta say half of the song played. Yeah, you're right, bro. Because when you go into the club, they are playing music because you're there, bro. What do you mean 10 and 20? I get out of here, man. I hate when people say things like that. Yeah, bro. I can't hate on man for saying she like that. I can't stand stuff like that. Bro, let's play break or make. Okay. Because obviously Davido is saying that he's he's gonna take a break, isn't it? So let me ask you some artists you think that you take a break. Oh, yeah, or no? Yeah, whisked. No break. You need more, more music, my boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Okay, Davido, okay, okay, Davido. No break, more music, my boy. Come on, politician, come on. We need the music, bro. Talk about your political aspirations, bro. Come on, Bonner Boy, no break, bro. Talk about thumping up, man. Come on, bro, bro. Talk about the box. No, no, no. Bernaboy. Bonaboy needs a break. Burner Boy does not need a break. Bonner boy needs to just now bring his real life experience into music. Trust me, we don't need no break. Bonner boy's got so much to say, you know. It's just there's he has nothing, bro. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, right? Yeah, I said it before. Last year, or rather, this past year, Bonaboy, none of his music stuck. To you. No, none of it stuck. To you. It's like, it's like it just came and went. Now to you, right? Now, now you can say the song with Gunner, you go and made waves and everything. Bro, his last album was was, in my opinion, respectfully dead, right? Nah, nah, yeah, bro. They've the feature with Fredo. Okay, cool. Like last year, I think he got to a point, yeah, where he needed to take a break a little bit, maybe a year or two, however long, right? Refresh, have some things to say, see the world. You got what I mean? Like, really take a break. I don't think I think he has plateaued a little bit. I think he has gotten to that point where he just needs a little break. No, my boy Berner, man. Bro, I'm Berner hasn't plateaued, bro. Fam, in the last 13 years, DP. In the last 13 years, Onaboy has nine albums. He drops almost every year. Talk to me, brother. You go, I mean, he's been gassed. Yeah, he's gassed. Yeah, he's like, he's like a player, yeah, that's been putting up numbers. You think he's exhausted now? Yeah, I think he's like a player that's been putting up bad numbers, as they say on X creatively exhausted. I'm telling you, bro. No, I disagree though. You go me because if you say I hear you when it comes to Whiskey, yeah, because in the last 15 years, guess how many albums? Four, six. Oh, is it? Oh, okay. Six in the last 15. Davido, in the last 14 years, guess how many albums? Five. Oh, okay. Bona in the last 13, nine. Because he's got something to say, bro. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. And and to me, he's the person that I feel that he should take a break. You go, I mean, Olami there, you'll be surprised. But it's really every year in the last 11 years, it's since his inception, yeah. 10 albums, yeah. Yeah, since his inception, that's his thing. Every year since inception, he's always dropped an album, which I love. You go, I mean, then I know I know that I I do feel a type of way about Benson. I feel like he's not dropping enough. But I sat down last night to really deep because in the last six years, he has five. Isn't it? Yes, which was a surprise to me because I've listened to all of his albums, but in a way, I just said, oh shit, that means that he doesn't have a moment. No, he's not an album artist, but does that make sense? Like, he doesn't have a moment, and I have the same issue as well with Olamide. Yeah, I think we need an Olamide moment. I don't feel that he has a moment where cool, like we can say, okay, him bringing out Ashake and everything, that was something never, but I'm talking about his own moment where it's so memorable. I don't think he has it. I think he drops a lot of um songs, he does a lot of features, like for example, this year alone. Yeah, I think he has about like four features already. Like, which is a good thing and everything. He's looking out for the young artists, like he's helping them out and everything, right? But I do feel like we need that Olami Day moment. You get me? It would have been his last show in the UK, the one that he did last year. I think he should have dropped dropped an album around that time. Oh, so you're talking about musical moments, yeah. Musical moment, that's what I'm talking about. You go, I mean, for the culture, you get me? Like when when you think about it, someone like Burnson, yeah, has all this, but there's no there's no memorable moment, if that makes sense. I and to me, that's the same thing with Olamide. I think for me, Olamide, again, I disagree. Olamide is so many moments, man. It could be feature moments, like he feature he's been featured on some songs that his verses just crazy, like uh I don't think you understand what I'm saying. No, I get what you mean. When we come, you talk about the albums and him just by himself, right? I think I'm talking about when when you remember this time, you're like thinking, damn, I remember this about Olami Day. You know what I mean? I get it like whether it's musically, whether it's a mom, you get what I'm saying? Like for the culture, for example, I'm not Ashake. We we remember when Ashake busts into the scene. You get what I'm saying? Like, we remember when Bonner Boy was untouchable, yeah. But Olamide is what I'm saying. Olamidez always had a moment, like at some point he was the greatest Afrobeat artist. This is facts, by the way. See that 2013 to 2016? No one touching Olamide, bro. Bro, so much so that he even brought dance trends to Oyashakiti, bubble, bubble, or feather medley, bubble, bubble, or bro. Olame des had too many moments right now. If he doesn't have any, he's done and he's done it and done it. It's just, I get you with Benson is a new act compared to Olame Day. Olame Day is like, brother, hey, you already know, no one's touching that brother, man. I feel like, I feel like his last concert, yeah, he has not been in the UK for he has not done a uh concert in the UK for however long, right? But when I look back, it was a great time, obviously, but it kind of felt like it just came and went. Maybe your like I feel like at that point, just the way Chris Brown is about to go on a tour with us right now, and this album came out, right? I feel like we should have got in like no, we got an album. I I think you've forgotten that we got an album called Olami Day. Two months later, then we had the concert in the UK. He first went to Canada, then now he he came to the UK, and that was a great moment because that day I was there, by the way, guys. Yes, one of the two months later. Yeah, that was like this. Two months before. Sorry, two months before, sorry, one month later. Okay, two months before that's when he then went on the thing because the whole concert, the tour was built around that album, anyway. So, again, what's a time, man? I just feel like we know we know when Whiskit ascended, right? We know when he ascended into that next level, right? We we can pinpoint it, yeah, right? We know when Bonaboy ascended to that next level, we can pinpoint it. Are you talking uh in terms of like the Western world and Western validation? Older, older, even for the culture, older. Okay, you go I mean, but you can't really pinpoint it with Olamide, that's what I'm saying. I get what you're saying, but I just think that because we're the different yardstick to measure um artists, these guys are doing music, sounding like however they want to sound, and they're getting that recognition with everything else and how brilliant they are. Of course, they're gonna get that recognition from the diasporans and the people in the west. Olamide has created too many trends, so much so he's created too many artists. Like everywhere you look around, it's just Olame Day moments. You look at Shakir now, you can't look too far. Olamide is there. You look at the cooler god, Olame Day is there, you look at Fireboy, Olame Day is there, you look at uh what's his name? Um, the producer, my guy. Ridimakula, yo, Olamide's there, bro. He's everywhere you go young, John. Olame is there, Olamide is the king of moments, bro. He's so he's he's so good that he said, Hey guys, don't look at me, look at him. You see me when you look at him. Yeah, that's that's not what I want. I want to see you, bro. Brother, I'm seeing you every time, bro. Every time I listen to any of these artists, all I'm being honest, all I see is just Olame Day. I'm like, the way they carry themselves, yeah. But those are no more moments for me. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. For you, everyone is gonna have what it is that they attach moments to. So, do you get it? I know where I was when Olamide was dominating the scene. Like, bro, whisked? What the heck was that in that sense, bro? Everyone is just Olame Day, like he had trends, he had the country in lockdown, he had this Olich um Olik or Olich, depending on how you want to call it. That's Olame Day Live in concert. He had that thing going, bro, for years that every was packed, stadium was packed. Brother, Olame Day's had it, bro. Like, if I'm not gonna lie, if I was him, I'll just look and go, what guys, what do you guys want me to do? I've done it so. So, do you think he should take a break then? Olamide. No, he's doing a feature run. Don't take a break, just keep giving them handouts. I'm not gonna lie, his new single is crazy though. Yeah, man. Come on, rock me gentle. Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_15 37:32

Bro, listen. His rhyme scheme. The the rhyme scheme, the melody, the precautions, the the production, bro.

SPEAKER_13 37:43

Forget, bro. This guy's a ghost.

SPEAKER_15 37:45

But do for a reason, man. You got me.

SPEAKER_13 37:47

Only one but ghost.

SPEAKER_15 37:49

He gets only one but do you my man still? Yaman. You know, I think we're talking on everything. Yeah, you mentioned versus earlier when we're talking about Chris Brown and Orce and Eric. What do you did? You watch the one with uh Rick Ross and clips, man. It's just clips I saw. Because that guy, I I'm not gonna lie, so I predicted this will happen. Bro, it's just flat. Very flat. I knew it because that's what happens when you get two friends to do, you know, but come on. The only thing is, two takes, yeah. Rick Ross have hits before the thing started. We all knew this, bro. He had hits, bro. People need to go and watch um the one that he did with the first one. Two takes, right? The first one. Mama has hits, go ahead, but then also his career with Drake is so intertwined. That's some of the biggest hits that he that he has is with Drake as well. You know what I'm saying? So I think we are definitely missing that moment. Or or rather, those sort of songs between the ball. You know, I I feel like the ball and them just need to make up. Oh no, they'll make up sooner. But then another thing is the versus man, the brand. Bro, it's not the same, bro. That's what the reason why it's not the same is because the premise of the show has changed. Um the thing that makes it oh sorry, the thing that made it what it is, or what it was then, was the competitiveness, you know, that edginess that people were excited to see and stuff like that. But now if you it's like me and you doing versus but no, do you get it? It's very different to you and someone that you're like from afar, you're like, I rate what you're doing, but yeah, I can't wait for us to you know what I'm saying. But then also I feel like it became too corporate. Yeah, that's what happens. Now it's all about the money, yeah. Like the time that they sold it. If you remember, they sold it or something. And they bought it back to be. Then they got it back again and all that. But I think at that time everything now became about money, it became too clean cut. Like, we liked it when it was green. If you what I'm saying, it was raw. If I like it, promise you. I have a great idea, which I don't know. They might someone might think of, you know what, it's free idea, you can take it. What I think versus should have done in terms of making and giving it another spark or boost is taking this outside America. Afrobeats versus and now the earlier. I know, but now this is what they should do with those verses, like the stage build a demarcation in the middle of the stage where the artists cannot see the other artists. So you see the big let me finish, let me finish. You see the big stage like this, and just have like a divide, a demarcation in the middle, and the artist and his people are doing their thing here, and the artists and the people are doing them thing here, and there's no interaction, just genuinely interacting with the fans and playing your music because I hold up.

SPEAKER_13 40:39

Is it one after the other or at the same time?

SPEAKER_15 40:40

What are you doing, bro? No, no, no, one after the other one. One after the other. Yeah, it's just like you know, when you're in the in a booth, you know, whatever called, um, photo booth, where you're just there, you can't see what's happening here with that guy, bro. I think that's what we should do. Because if I was versus, I'll come straight into Alphabet and do versus you would get the numbers. No, absolutely, absolutely. You get the numbers, absolutely, but at the same time, I think seeing what the other person is doing, kind of, you know, like you get to match the energy and kind of what however you want to do it, right? But I think seeing your opponent and seeing what they're doing on stage and all that kind of shit kind of sharpens your shit, you get what I'm saying? But I just feel like the brand just not the same, and it's not it's better production, yes, yes, it's better production, all that. But I think it's the participants that are not the same because no one wants to see a French Montana Ray Cross, except you just want to listen to songs. Cool, but if you go, if you had gone ahead to do a McMill vs Wallet, brother, that's something everyone wants to see that yo, because there's been this whole thing between them, you know, and which would never happen. But just imagine a world where they struck a deal and you have Kendrick Viz Drake. Just imagine a world. Well, what do you think will happen? Yeah, that would be crazy. There you go. So imagine that he struck he struck another deal, yeah. But then now the problem is the artist, the artists are never gonna do it. That's what I'm saying. I said imagine. Now imagine in in Afrobeach, you do uh let's say a whiskey viz. Burner boy, that would be lovely. Everyone has got a price, I promise you. That would be lovely, everyone has got a price. No, I think that one, yeah, that's a prize there. Everyone's got a price, they're gonna do it. That would be lovely. Who do you think is gonna take that? And versus versus uh only one person, but versus whiskey burner boy. Only one person is winning that easy, who fans you won't try us. I saw what you did there. You won't try us, I saw what you did there. I saw what you did there. Only one group is gonna win it. The fans, the fans, you just sit there and just that would be a great moment for the fans. What the fans have won? That would be a great moment for the fans at the F, bro. What 20 V20? What it's it sounds like you don't have too much confidence on your guy because I thought you would have said whiskey. Which was my guy? Whiskey, brother. You're the one that commented the name wise kid, isn't it my wise kid? You're the one that comes the name. Are you scared, brother? Those are my boys. Are you scared? Are you scared? I said versus versus you are fan, bro. Oh, you're scared of me. You skin advantage. You guys, you skin advantage. You guys are versus the fan hit for hits, hit for hitch. We are winning. Are you taking it? Fans are winning, we who is we are speaking French yellow. I said we, we, we, we, we. Who is we? You comment on the white skin, bruh. Hey, stand on the bra. Stand on the bra. Pose in the butt. Stand on what, brother. Hey, shut up to both of them, bro. What you tell me as a fan. That'll be a moment. I'm leaving the delivery, bro. That'll be a moment for the culture. That'll be a moment for the culture. That would be of a big draw, bro. Nobody's waiting. Hell yeah, that'll be a moment for the cult. What farm did you see? Pete Fog the name tells you already. No, this guy tells you already, bro. This guy don't have a clue what they're talking about. Pete Fogg decided to rate Ashake's money album 5.6. Average. Did we ask you guys to even rate the thing? Yes, we did. Yes, we fucking did. Who did? The artist. What oh yeah, you're right. Where are the artists shooting to? Oh, yeah, yeah. You're sorry. I take that back. I take that back. Sorry, I forgot. Exactly. Sorry, sorry. We cannot pick and choose. No, we cannot pick and choose. Yeah. If Rolling Stone came out now, yeah, and gave Ashake 10 over 10. Right? If Pitfort came out, give him 10 over 10. Yeah. If if Bill Bot came out and gave him 10 over 10, everyone in the coach will be like, yeah, bro. Yeah, fam. That's it, bro. For now, but now because he got 5.6, oh, who asked you to do it for us? Bro, you know, you know how we can kill them. No, no. You take the good with the bad, bro. I think you're confusing me with those guys on the internet that have no clue.

SPEAKER_13 45:05

Okay, go on, go on.

SPEAKER_15 45:06

First of all, when I say who asked them, I'm talking, everyone knows my you know my take with the Rolling Stone thing when they do the whole EP, the real. I gave a take, I did a video, I did a content on that. These guys have no context. That's my point. I don't mind if you even give it two. So, for instance, now let's say one of the guys that I rate that is part of the culture, Iomide Tayo AOT2, or um like a like uh like a Ade Ayo was to give it to. At least I'm gonna read, you know, that's his take because these guys are entrenched in the culture. So your problem is because the person is not a Nigerian. No, what is the problem? My problem here is the person that wrote this does not have context on the culture. That's facts. If you are let's find out who wrote that and the name of the person that wrote that is Butana Shokarani. Okay, so Butana Shukrani is written uh uh whatever she's written based on what? Listen, she has clout, bro. She has worked with Rolling Stone, she's worked with with Vogue, bad people, bro. Bro, there's clout though. There's there's there's uh there's some referees that that ref a game of football. They've done the Champions League, they've done high-level Premier League. So are you saying because she's done? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying to you, it doesn't have to be a Nigerian. Okay, just someone that's part of the culture that knows what Afrobeats is. How do you know that she's not a part of the culture, though? Okay, how do you know that she's not tapped in? Because you made the same statement, I forgot who it was that dropped an album and they rated it as well, and you kind of say the same thing. So I'm I'm kind of gathering, yeah. How do you know that these people are not tapped in? Yes, they might not be as tapped in as we are from like back in the day and everything, cool, but that doesn't really mean that that they are not tapped in. The reason why I would not personally, even though I'm not opposed to it, right? But when people say, Oh, not you, but when people say, Oh, it has to be a Nigerian, someone was tapping the culture, is it doesn't matter, right? I feel like there is gonna be a bit of a bias that will go into it because, all right, cool, I wouldn't want to make this like we see all the time, in it, like a lot of this media head, they don't want to really say what they want to say because of the close proximity that they have with some of these artists, right? But when you get someone who's not biased, who does who probably does not have no relationship with this artist, just enjoying the music or wherever the case is, and they write an article. Am I hearing you go, I mean, now do I feel like she knows a culture like some other people do? Maybe not. You go, I mean, but I don't really think that it makes her work less credible if you are to me. Okay, I get it. I see that labels, and I'm not talking about music labels. I see, and I understand that in this world we live in, all you have to do is just come out and say, I work for CNN, I work for BBC. You can write jargons, bro, and people will say, you know what? You know what you're doing, you know. No, you don't, bro. Please play gratitude. I just want the 10 seconds, and you tell me Butana Boutini or whatever name is no disrespect, yeah, will be able to translate this for me culturally and contextually for you to be able to write an article on something you don't have a clue about, bro. That's the essence of writing. Please listen to the first 10 seconds and tell me how this person can relate.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Let us go.

SPEAKER_05 48:39

So many don't do but I'm good. Even Jesus Christ is loaded. Stop this so this makes sense to anyone.

SPEAKER_15 49:32

What I'm about to say, please, no interruptions. Will you watching just what you you should understand what I'm trying to say now? Oh, no, not you. I said in the crowd, this guy said, All right. So let me just I'll read the lyrics, yeah. God, I know if it lie. I know it lie, you wait in my eye. Don't see. Oh boy. So naturally, a Nigerian would understand the real context behind it. I know it lie. Now, you don't understand the language. What do you think you're gonna be saying, thinking? I know fit lie. You're gonna read it based on how you comprehend, right? But we know say, ah man, this guy don't see something. Do you guys understand what lyrics do? Like when someone is saying something in their own language or contextually based on their culture, it's it's going to resonate differently. Now, if she's listening to it, she probably don't understand um pidgin English, don't understand Yoruba. Yeah, I'm not talking about the surface understand um um comprehension, I'm talking about deep understanding. What then happens is you can't then link songs between that gratitude to the next one when the transition either is a seamless one or not. I have a feeling, and I might be wrong, this album, the way she's judged it, is just purely on Sonics, purely on melody. How the heck are we then going to listen to people like that because they've written for CNN, they've written for Queen Elizabeth. Bro, you are you kidding me? It's like me listening to uh what's it called? Um let me see, um, like an Indian um music or something, and they're speaking the language, you know what? Scratch that Zambian music. I can only judge Zambian music when I react to it based on the sonics melody, if there's a rhyme scheme there, I don't understand the language. So when people in the comments go, oh bro, that but I wish you understood the language, man. So you get it. I get where you're coming from. Like you're right, you know. I can only just judge the songs based on sonics. This person, I don't again, do clearly don't know nothing about Yoruba, for instance, or even Igbo or Hausa, you know what if you when he said meaning you know your mouth, the tongue is so oh god man, like the tongue is a sword that is so brother. Do you know what that means? Like, be careful what you say. Are you kidding me, man? Why are we giving people like this credit? Because they wrote for oh my day, man. I'm getting agitated, and that's what I'm trying to do. I'm in the spirit right now, bro. You're cooking breath. You're cooking, bruv. But this is what I'm trying to say. You're cooking breath. No one is saying you have to be Nigerian. If I'm being honest, I actually want someone that knows about our culture not to be Nigerian. I just want to see that real objective feel to it. So let's say a Ghanaian that understands a little bit of what's happening in the scene, and then they write that cabla. Oh, you know what? We can even banter and go, you're writing from a Ghanaian perspective. It's better. This person don't even know what that gratitude song. When you see you listen to it, you have goosebumps, you go into trance. You telling me this person felt that. No, you just heard him. He goes, Yo, that's my even let it play more than 10 seconds, you know. Do you understand some of the words you were saying? The Yoruba world.

SPEAKER_13 52:48

Of course not.

SPEAKER_15 52:48

You see my point? So if he's feeling that, but he's Nigerian, but he can tell pretty much 80% of the song, he knows what the song is about. Now, this person that wrote the whatever, man, I don't understand what it is. She's just going based on Ashake's now one of the top artists. I need to write an article. Did this person write an article when he did work of art? Did this person write an article when he did uh Mr. Money the Vibes? I mean, she commented on it a little bit, right? Just with it. Because she was forced to go listen to it. Yeah, but she commented on it a little bit. Yeah, she was forced to go listen to the album. So she doesn't want to get um, you know, um, what's it called? Um more like a I don't want to say that word, but basically, she doesn't want to get like a uh like this vibe where they'll be like, oh, there's an agenda here, this is something paid for, you know, when they brought people fam, we are clipping the segment for you, bro. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're clipping the segment. No, no, no. I'm just upset. You're cooking, bro. You're cooking, bro. I don't want to, I'm I'm going to leave the kitchen too. I'm gonna leave the oil is splashing on my head. Bro, that's that I just wanted to make that clear. It's nothing to do with a Nigerian, it's the fact that I'm listening to these songs and I can understand if a random brother that is no Nigerian, that don't understand the culture, could go. This is all right, because these guys are gonna judge your album based on what they see on social media, like Ashakeah him packing out the O2 was not just purely down to his style of music, it was down to the hype everyone created for him. So everyone didn't want to be FOMO, no one wanted to miss and oh, we need to go there and go. Do you know what I mean? So it's like um Joe and he jo uh Joe, people are just dancing to it, they don't even know what that means. I'm talking about people that are non-Nigerians, they're just like happy to dance to the song that this tune is sick. That's it. But if you ask them to what did you feel when you listen to that song? They're like it's a good show, it's a good song, mate. Good, I like it, I like it. Oh, you know, I love that Asheke guy, it's really cool. Then you listen to this, oh, it's not it's not the same as the last one I heard. And you're like, oh, okay, fair enough. This is what it is. So hey, that's just my take on it, man. That's what I'm saying. I agree with you, I agree with a lot of what you said, right? And some of the things that she said, well, this bit, right, was kind of the bit that I kind of agreed a little bit from what she wrote, right? She said, on money, his lyrics are one-dimensional. I don't think it was one-dimensional, right? But I will tell you the bit where I agree. And most tracks clock under three minutes, which is just long enough to establish an ambience, but not long enough to complicate it. I think she's right. I mean, because a lot of the songs is like the hunger is there as a listener, right? You're in the vibe, like you're listening to it, but then it just cuts off. Like you're thinking, bro, I'm not a fool. Yeah, you get my point. Like, for example, this track, yeah, it wasn't with that track again. This MCBH, I feel like it should have been longer. It definitely should have been longer. You get what I'm saying? So I don't I hate it when artists do that. Like trying to keep a song one money, money comes by happiness. You go in like one minute 50 seconds, or just under two minutes. I'm like thinking, bro, what are you doing? Like, you're cooking. But I feel like sometimes artists want to play safe, they'll be like thinking, bro, we got it here, let's not just fuck it up. Because a similar situation happened with with that Bunner Boy song, um, that Lambo song. Yeah, I feel like, and that's the thing, you know, it's like damn if you do, damn if you don't, right? Yeah, I kind of feel like that song, whatever they added to that song, overcomplicated it. Yeah, which took away from the source of the song. If that makes sense. So I guess it's just about knowing the Swiss part. But I feel like again, that's something, again, this is what I'm trying to say. This is why I say so, bruh. Listen, in life, please don't let anyone do anything for you when they don't understand you properly. They're gonna do it based on their own understanding, they're not gonna do it because, in a sense, where, oh, I know where this person's coming from, let me do this way, right? Money, that's the name of the album. If you're Nigerian, scratch that. If you're African, what do they say about people that have money? No, I'm just saying, what do you think they say about people that have money? That uh they have it easy, they are pompous, they are oppressing people, they are different things that people say. Fantastic, right? And I'm happy he said that because that's the narrative, right? But growing up, when you see someone that's got money, even now, even though we don't want to make it even an African thing, just in general, they say rich people don't talk too much. A man stuck to the theme and said, Oh, let the amazing production do it. Bro, I'm rich. I'm just gonna bro. Man literally meant named this album Money and did everything that we've come to understand about people that have money. And people are saying, she said it clocked on the this is why you have to have people in the scene that understand the culture, bro. Don't piss me off. This person doesn't know what they're talking about, they don't know what they're talking about. You need to understand that rich people obviously carry themselves some type of way. When you go to the clubs and you see a rich person just chilling, it's waiting for you to come to them. They talk rich. Exactly, they're talking, bro. This album is clearly what this guy, yo. There's no artist in the last 10 years that's actually given us a theme, thematic album like Ashake. Man said money, and he did the album in the money lifestyle. Man did uh guys, bro. Look at his rollout. No controversy, money. Man hired someone that is known to be a sculptor to to cut it out. Are you kidding me? Man now said, okay, I'll drop a music rich in sound. Money. What else can this guy do? Then we have someone that's not part of the culture because she's written for BBC and the corner shop down that down down the road. She's got she's got leverage. What kind of leverage have you got to write for on our culture? Please can you stop? If you have to pay a pay a person with culture to write it for you, then send it to yourself, and then guess what? It's allowed. Put your name under it. That's right. Hey, we'll sit there and go, whoo, this person knows. Well done. This is the thing that this is the reason why AfroBeats is where it is. We have people here just jumping on the bandwagon to give to write um um well give a take on a piece of album that you don't understand whatsoever. And shout out to your fake Nigerian friends, you got to give your take on Mr. Money on the vibe and work of art, bro. We know what you guys are doing, man. You guys don't know nothing. Get out of here, man. I'm I've had enough of these people, bro. They don't even know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Yes, what am I saying?

SPEAKER_15 59:33

You mad? Listen to this. If you're not part of the company, you come on the man say, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:32

Hey, life no distress on my ball. I'm a big element, push it on my way.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:50

That's what rich people do. Man said, Don't touch my cigar.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:54

Please.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:02

You know what I mean? Man, we need to credit the guys that were in the studio. This brought us who knows what this guy was gonna name this album somewhere, man. Brother, keep calling money. That's it, bro. No stress. That's it, bro. Then someone from somewhere that's written for CNN, that's written for um Afghanistan. Now said to us that the music clock on the three. Yes, sir. Rich people don't stress. Yes, sir. We'll go stress you. No go leave you alone. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. Before we move on from Ashake, yeah. He was ranked number 17 on the digital artist ranking thing, the global number 17. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Before we carry it, who's number one? Michael Jackson. Okay, now we're talking. You see levels exactly. I I swear if it was anyone else, I'll be like, what are we doing here? But that's perfect. You go, I mean, you can't. So Ashake is 16 steps away. Yeah, so so you got Michael, Justin, BTS, Bad Bunny. Oh, Justin Timberlake or Justin Bieber. Bieber. Oh god. Oh fuck, let's go, Justin Bieber. BTS, Bad Bunny, Taylor Swift, facts. Just imagine that. Top five is facts. No, top five. Just imagine the names that are recalled here. Who who who what um article is that? Like, is it rolling? No, surely cannot be rolling stone. No, no, like this is like the global digital artist. Fantastic. This is this is on point. This is okay. Yeah, so Taylor Swift, there you go. There you have Noah Um Cahan, you have Olivia Dean, you have Bruno Marsh, Drake, obviously. Yeah, I'm like, um, you have Omar Coot, Zara Lansing, Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah, these are like pop arts.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:48

Um Fueza Regida, you have Lady Gaga, you have Alex Warren, you have um Taming Pala, and then you have Asha K.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:58

Big facts. Look at the names, big facts, look at the names, right? Big facts, don't let pitch um pitch spoon tell you otherwise. Yeah, don't let pitch spoon tell you nothing. Bro, he earned it. He earned it. Pitch Spoon said it's 5.6. How about your writing was 2.2? What the heck are you doing about here, man? Bro, listen. Vibe Skatel Fali Pooper, bro. You see the conversation that's on the internet. Dumbest thing ever. Two different distinct brother. They can't even come on, man. You get me? Like, people are really debating this on the internet. That makes sense. I'm like thinking, bro, Vibes Cartel really caters to the Caribbean. Fali Popa caters to the Francophone speaker and a bit of the English speaking African country. So come on, and Africa is a bigger continent. Come on, there's no competition, man, but okay. Let's entertain the conversation for the sake of it. Really, guys. Really? Come on. So so I saw um, what's his name? Specs. I saw Specs say that it is Fali Poopa. That's more famous. Absolutely. I don't think so. More famous globally. Yes. No, I don't think so. Africans more popular globally. I don't think so. I don't think so. Okay. I don't think so. I think I think, yes, Francophone countries, yeah, Falli Pooper is you it's not even close. Like my money is done. 20,000. Wait, hold on. Yeah. No, no, okay. It's it's it's it's basically in addition to what you're saying, so it's not interrupted. It's to help your point, right? So once as you're speaking, how about you just check out the population of these francophone countries and then compare that to the Caribbean countries, yes, I agree with you, but this is the thing the francophone, yeah, even in West Africa like that, like that, not that people don't know Fali Pooper, but a lot of people are not really familiar with his work like that. Even in West Africa in itself. But if you're talking about Francophone countries, French countries, and all that, right? Yes, like my man is doing 80,000, he just did 80,000 stadiums. You get what I'm saying? But the thing is, when you when you talk about the cultural impact of vibes, yeah. Oh, that's what we should have said. Yeah, but but but which also lends to his popularity and everything. Not really. Yes, you can be cultural. Vibes is very popular when it comes to um English speaking countries, right? Um when it comes to Europe, he's very popular. Now in in America, he's very popular, bro. This guy is doing Madison Square Garden and shit like multiple dates. He's his him in America. Now compare also with the Caribbean um market, you know what I'm saying? So I think you have to kind of split it. French speaking, older. That's what I said file. But when you come to the West, Western Africa, you go older, but yeah, bro. I'm sorry, even in Western Africa, vibes is not like that, man. I think we're just we bro, man grew up. Vibes was a reason for like a from issue, yes. Dominating, bro. No, he dominated because of his music, the style of it, the slangs and all that stuff. Cool. But let's be real, vibes is not that popular. It's just popular to the guys that are in the know of the culture. Bro, again, I always say the litmus test to knowing how popular someone is is just go and ask a random person that don't even care and just say, Do you know who this is? Yes, because people are forgetting America. A lot of people don't know who Fali Puba is, you know that's what that's what I'm trying to say to you. And a lot of people don't know who vibes cartel is. When I say vibes cartel, they go it Mexican, and like but a lot of people that are tapped into the culture know more about vibes than they do. And because vibe vibes cartel, the reason why they're tapped in and they know is because vibes cartel uses profanities in his music. Whether he uses a no, I'm just giving an example to how people get introduced to stuff, right? And that be just for instance, now you might say you might speak a certain way, and you're very popular, and someone else might speak a certain way, and people will tell you, oh, that guy's more popular than you. But deep down, you know that, brother, we're not on the same level. Like finally people are doing 80,000, you know, um, seated or whether stadium or arenas and stuff like that. It goes to show his power, whether it's just French speaking, cool. Same thing Vibes Cartel can't go to the French speaking to dominate like that. It's vice versa. File people probably cannot go to the Caribbeans to like dominate like that. Not even the Caribbeans and shit, bro. Yeah, no, no, I'm just saying the two different worlds. I think it was, I don't know who he was again. I think it was Jim Jones or something, right? That where he went to, I believe he went to Paris or something like that. I forgot, but the clip is somewhere on the internet. I saw it myself, right? He said, bro, he never heard that he's never heard about Fali Pooper and all that shit, right? But he was taken to his concert and he was like, bro, that place was shacked. You get what I'm saying? I forgot I think it was either Jim Jones or Boston Rams, I can't remember. But he was like, yo, never heard of the dude. Like, you get what I'm saying? But the thing is, see this way, there are a lot of Indian artists, yeah. I was at an O2 one time, O2 stats, the jammed, traffic, all that. I said, bro, what's going on? It was some Indian artist, right? So India market, he's popular selling out all selling out all two multiple days, even 100%, right? But the majority of the world probably don't know who the person is. I think that's the same thing with Farley. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. So, but when you come to the rest of the world, yeah, I think vibes do have more clout. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In terms of pop culture, yeah, because of the whole gangster-ish stuff, absolutely, and you know, the whole Jamaican, yeah, we get that, but that's what I'm trying to say. It's like, okay, you're popular, and your influence is kind of obvious to those types of people. The wording, the verbiage, again, with the profanities and how you say and how it well, it makes it look cool. Cool. Then, of course, you have people like a Drake, like constantly maybe gassing it, saying he's an inspiration because they want to look cool, you know, and all that stuff. Yeah, that that lens and that helps, but again, it's a very weird comp it's actually a false comparison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like terrible at the bottom, it's two different markets in it, so terrible. It's two yeah, two different markets on your shit. So terrible. But I saw that online everything. So I would have to. I saw that. Same thing. I saw the video. I just saw your take on this. I scrolled, I've never scrolled so quick past that nonsense. I went, all right, we're not doing this, man. This is just ridiculous, you know. But listen, let's jump into this, right? Because I saw this shit, I was laughing my ass off, right? Yeah, you everybody knows how I feel about Mr. Easy. Yeah, everyone knows how I feel about Mr. Easy, love Mr. Easy and everything, everything that he has accomplished, the way he moves, everything about him, right? But when I saw this clip, it's kind of dawned on me, yeah, why Mr. Easy, in a way, did not go far in music as as I thought that he should. Okay. Mr. Easy is a businessman. First. Yeah. Who just knows how to sing. And you get what I mean? He's not an artist that knows how to do business. If that makes sense. Does that make sense? Perfect sense. So there's this clip online. It's an old clip, by the way, but go on. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that share. I was like, these dudes crazy as hell, bro. No, it's not. If so, if someone made made this if someone made this demand to me, yeah, I'll kick that person out of the meeting. I'll be like, yo, yeah, go. I'm telling you, bro, bro. Fab, hear this bullshit, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pay me in stocks, yeah. When it's like 10p or something like that.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:40

Because I was like, I was like, I I quickly saw what that will become. And I I couldn't understand why everybody didn't see what that would become.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:50

So he's talking about Afro Nation. This is like the beginning stages of Afro Nation everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:56

It's like, damn. I was like, this is a this is a show. This is like a festival that is only like it's like 80% af like the the people that come in to see African artists. Yeah. And before that, I had played um um a we skid show at the Yotu. Afro Republic. Afro Republic. So I had huge, isn't it? Yeah, so I had seen all these people at Afro Republic. And so I was like, okay, this shit is gonna be big. And so I was like, okay, I want equity. Like I was ready to perform, yeah, and then you gave me equity in the brand. How much did you want? Yeah, I don't even think we got to that stuff, but I was like 50% out of that. I'd either like get stuck, or I want to have the data of everyone who comes so you can so that tomorrow, if I wanted to do a show, I can say, hey, Mr. Easy is doing a show, but they were like, Oh no, nobody like nobody's asking for that. I'm like, okay, then it's got to be life-changing money because like there's nobody there that doesn't know Mr. Easy or doesn't know my songs. This is 2019 me coming off like Coachella and that. I'm like, no, fuck that. Like, I'm not, I'm not gonna play at this show, so that's why I didn't play this show. You would have mashed up. You would have mashed it up.

SPEAKER_15 1:12:28

Oh, the badge and the badge, the badge mashed it, bro. Yeah, when I saw that clip, yeah. First of all, the guys were laughing because they know that's a crazy demand, right? There, bro. You gotta say that no that they know that that's a not case demand. Good demand from Mr. Easy. Obviously, he's smart, you know what I'm saying? But if I'm Smaid of Afro Nation, I'm looking at my man like thinking, bro, am I fucking dreaming? Like, what that's a crazy shit. Because you want to come perform in my shit, yeah. I should give you equity in my shit. If someone came and sat down with me with Mr. Easy today, yeah, he's um his December um festival that he does and said, Me, um, if you want me to come and perform on there, let me have equity in my shit.

unknown 1:13:21

Mr.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:21

Easy would be like, security. You see this person, that's a terrorist, yeah. Out, out. I'm telling you, bro, that's a crazy shit, but that kind of solidifies because me, I I feel like Mr. Izzy is talented, right? But it solidifies to me, like this guy was a businessman before music. He it wasn't music or artist before businessman, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, and that's part of the reason why he moves the way he moves when it comes to business today. And you know, he kind of fell out respectfully when it comes to music, if that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Uh again, shout out to the boy and to the bros, man. 90s baby show. They were on they were not laughing because it was a ridiculous thing. Because I watched that that's time ago. It wasn't that, it's that's how they are, like they're very hysteric. Like to them, it's like they're laughing at the fact that oh snap, so that's why you didn't go to the show. Now, the problem here is when someone I'll show you, they're probably laughing, bro. That was that shit was that demand was crazy. No, he didn't even I didn't put numbers to it. He said they never even talked about figures. Because may cut that shit short. No, you don't have to cut, but this is the this is the problem here now. If someone approaches me and says I need equity in something, I'll be like, Oh, how much are we talking before I cut it off? If the person goes 0.5, okay, one percent okay. We need to have like a limit again. Shout to you, Mr. Easy Man. You did the right thing, bro. Uh at the end of the day, Afro Nation is not even yeah, anyway. Let me not speak. Anyway, you did the right thing, bro. Uh Afro at the moment, bro. Afro nation is one of the biggest festivals in the culture. No, no, I did say it's not big. If not the biggest, I'm not saying I'm not saying it's not big, of course. It's possibly the biggest Afrobeats festival, right? We're talking, yeah. Hey, brother, Mr. Easy, you dodged the bullet, my bro. Guess what? You can buy Afro Nation three times anyway. So, hey, why do you say that? No, how because he dodged the bullet, he dodged the bullet. How though? Because he's now focusing on his business, it doesn't have to go on stage and jumping. Yeah, I mean, if he got paid to perform an EFF in, that that's not gonna still be the business that he's doing. Equity or life-changing money. Okay, none, it's all fine. Look, Afronation is breathing, he's breathing. No, I don't think it's either or you got saying obviously, like everyone is looking out for their business, but I'm just saying, right? Great, you can say great demand from Mr. Easy, he's a smart dude and all that kind of shit, right? But if he was on the other side of the table and someone else was making that demand to him, yeah, for his festival in Ghana, yeah, they will boot that personality. No, I and this is the that's a crazy demand. No, but that's that's the thing. A lot of people don't know um what's that? No, no, see, no, no, see, that's a crazy demand depending on whose accent. That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna like it. In 2019, he was like one of the no no no no. The reason why I say depend on whose accent is for an artist, yeah, like Mr. Easy or whoever, an artist that is being invited to perform to make that demand, yeah, is different from let's say a corporation like Life Nation, for example, now approach and be like, hey, we we want to work with you and everything, but we want to own some stake in your thing. Yeah, that's a whole different shit because now this people, you know that these people are gonna take your shit to a whole different fucking level. You get what I'm saying? You're an artist. If you don't perform, it's not gonna change the world. We can't get someone else who's better and bigger than you to do that. You get my point now, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. We all need to be either you're well informed or you're not informed. So people don't just ask or demand things from thin air. So he must have had an inkling that there's a chance for that for him to even approach them like that. And of course, he's from a business background, that's how your man, your mind is meant to think. In life, everything you do in life, find ways to either have equity or just stay away from it. It's just that's how simple it is. So, guess what? Burner boy and whiskey, and them people, don't you think they have equity? What? Don't want to say this. Don't you don't do you think it's just money they give give those guys for them to turn up to those things? Do you know something that we don't know? No, no, no. I'm just guessing. Okay. I just don't know. I'm just saying because are you breaking news on the pressure of the boat? Oh, this is me having okay, uh hypothetical situation here, right? Right, right. In my opinion, I can't I can even lean more that these guys have like equity. That's the truth. Because if you look at I'm looking at the I'm looking at the headlines and I'm like, this is a funny headline, you know, because no on a normal day, these guys will not accept to be where the you know what we're we're gonna hang our coats on Mr. Easy asking what your faith probably has already. Come on, man, he's he's he's within every right at that time. Now, he of course in this era, he's not gonna go somewhere and ask for equity. No, because he knows I'm not popping, like he said in the video. At that time, I was one of the guys, and I have a feeling where's kid burner boy devido have equity, hence why they have time to even share it on their thing saying I'm gonna perform an Afro Nation this year. Make sure you're there because those are the guys that will move the festival, not live nation. Remember, so imagine if you have Burner Boy Davido and Whiskey not turning up. I know a lot of people that will say this is dead because people go where the favorite artists go. So, hey, live nation need the artist anyway. You know, if no one turns up, I guess they won't be live anymore, they'll be dead nation. But hey, that's what it is. So, shout out to you, Mr. Easy man. You did the right thing, bro. Again, I'm happy you dodged that bullet, you're doing greater things now, you're doing your thing, my bro. Just focus on that, man. It's not crazy to ask, it's not crazy. No, no, see, it's not crazy shit to ask. You know what I mean? The worst that will happen is no. You know what I mean? But I'm sure if someone asks him that, yeah, he will he would say no. Knowing Mr. Easy, he will say no. No, knowing Mr. Easy, if you're really if you've got the if you've got the cache and you're really popular, Mr. Easy, you'll have a chat.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:12

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:13

Okay, I'll forget.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:14

I don't think I believe I might have to go back and look at this again, but I believe that when he started his festival, there was an article that was saying that he reached out to a couple of the artists and everything, and some of the billings that he was getting was too much, right?

SPEAKER_15 1:19:29

He said, fuck it, that he would rather perform himself, get smaller artists and everything, and obviously build a brand. And at some point, some of these artists want to be on there. You know what I mean? Like this is the thing. If you build your shit from the ground, yeah, like for example, Smaid, for example, Mr. Easy, and someone else just comes and be like, I want everything and everything. You'd be like, What the fuck? You get what I'm saying? Like, are you it's different if you're like a Drake or something, you know what I'm saying? Like, or a Kanye West. But you cannot do those sort of businesses with corporations that you know that are gonna put you in a whole different light. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So no, anyone can ask, but I wasn't surprised, yeah, that the conversation did not evolve. Because at the end of the day, if you have if you buy equity, um, sorry, if you get equity, right? That means you now have shares in whatever this product is, right? In five, four years, as the majority owner, I could buy you out. And now, guess what would have happened in this situation now? Yeah, he could have easily bought out Mr. Easy if he wanted to, if that had did happen, you know. And like I said, there's so many artists that right now they have shares of that thing, bro. I'm not gonna lie, but hey, we shall see in it. Just remember, clip this if you have to. I have a strong feeling that some of your top artists do have probably equity, probably, probably, probably, yeah, man. But listen, it's all good though. It's all good. Are you do you care about talking about the whole Skylar Tyler thing in Ireland? No, she's only relevant. Don't anyway. No, no, all right, cool. It's not a what people that just get relevant from from what? Yeah, just from being great at DJing, really good, no top DJ. No, alright, cool. We're gonna be no, uh I you know, we're here now. Let's talk about everyone involved. No, no, no, no, we're here now because everyone involved. I guarantee someone be like, oh come on, just say that. Let's have a quick one minute, two minute. Alright, cool. So, Skylar Tyler was booked to DJ in Ireland.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:35

Yeah, whatever happened behind the scene, we don't know. But what we saw was the promoter or one of the promoters come out and he had some scathing words, some very scathing words for for Skylar Tyler and everything.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:50

Yeah, so we're just gonna play this real quick. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:54

Yes, oh Skylar is not happy. Uh she wanted the V Mercedes V class to take her to the airport. It brats, you are complaining about Mercedes V class to take you to the airport that's 30 minutes away. You're making it an issue when it's not even an issue. I've dealt with bigger artists that you don't even mind because it's the morning. Do you know what I'm saying? You know, you're complaining. I it's not like we didn't even offer you anything. We offered you, say, I'll book you an Uber Excel when you're ready. Let me know, I'll book your Uber Excel to the airport. You should be worried about your flight, you're worried about V-Class, you take it to the airport. You're such a brat, you know, little brat, entitled little brat, that's what you are, Skylar. Do you know what I'm saying? And then because of that, you want to go and slap like attention seeker. You want to go and slap and trying to bash the promoter. What exactly did the promoter do that's bad? Because if you anybody listen to this, nothing we did that was bad, nothing. We accommodated you more than the things that was that's not that was in the contract. We did even over no appreciation, ungrateful little brats, and you're here trying to look for I said I didn't, I don't hey man said brats so many times.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:59

I forgot her name was Scarlet Allah. I thought her name was Bratt. I know. I guess my question to my man is was that in the contract though? What the the May said this bears v or whatever from from what he said, from what I gathered, was that in the contract? I don't think it was in there. From what I gathered, anyway. I might have heard it wrong, but yeah, I don't think I'm saying because that's what we need to know. Because if she made the demands and that's part of the deal, hey, listen, you can't change the deal, but if that wasn't part of the deal, then they probably do have a length um a leg to stand on.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:31

You know what I'm saying? And the thing is, back to what you said earlier, yeah. I understand this narrative, yeah, which which um there's some truth to it.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:44

Yeah, in the last couple years, because Afro became mainstream and everything, you have a lot of pretty light-skinned girls, whatever, that didn't care about the culture right from time. They they found an easy way of DJing, right? Because they saw Uncle Waffles from South Africa, and also Beauty Self opens doors for for some of these chicks and that, right? So they just learn how to a lot of them are probably not even DJs proper. You know what I'm saying? They just put a song with a whole playlist there and just doing their thing, but because they look good, right? All those promoters want to get them. I get it. You know what I mean? In Them South's Kyla Tyler, obviously, she's linked to um whiskey's baby moms and stuff, right? Partner, right? So the Aries Abioffa spice towards her. A lot of people feel like she earned it so easily, right? And because of Whiskey, you know, a lot of those that some people would have worked very hard to get into, she walked in very, very easy. I understand all that talk, right? But at the end of the day, business is still business, right? If you guys had a business on the table and part of business is I want a Lamborghini. Yeah, and you say yes, she deserves a Lamborghini. All right, the Lamborghini. But now, if you say, Oh no, we cannot afford Lamborghini, then I might hear you when you're complaining. You know what I mean? So I think the center thing about this is what does the contrast say? And if the girl was trash, if the girl wasn't good, I don't think she would have been getting some of the gigs that she's getting. She she's she's doing something right. I don't want to speak. No, bro. I've not heard anyone say that she's trash. I'm not saying it. Maybe you have. No, no, she's really good. You got what I mean? I've not heard nobody say that she's trash. I think she's the best DJ. You got me, and I'm not even being, I'm not even joking. Like, I'm dead ass. I'm being dead ass too. You got me. I'm stressed as colon cancer. You got me. I've never seen anyone say that she's trash. Yeah, she's great, man. One of the greatest. You got what I'm saying? I'm not gonna go that far. But my point is she's clearly doing something right, and and also I get it. Some people have spies for people like her and other people because they feel like they got it easy. I understand the sentiments that can come from that, the sentiments behind it. But you know what? Life is not fair. Life is not fair, and she's fair. Like what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? It is what it is. It is what it is. Hey, guys, that's just my hey, Scarlett Tyler, greatest DJ. My focus is on the promoter, brother. In the future, yeah. Just find people that you truly like. Yeah, people you truly like, you want to work with. If it's a man, a woman, a dog, a cat, someone that's, yeah, you know what I mean? You know, find someone that you really like, a DJ, someone maybe on the same caliber as Skylar Tyler in terms of ability because she's really, really good. She's like the sickest out there, right? Get someone like that. The person go, go, go.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:10

She's really, really good.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:11

Get someone, you know, almost on that level. And I'm not talking about notoriety or popularity now, just like ability-wise, good. And just find some young, amazing, nice, upcoming artists, and just work with them, bro. All of these things where you guys are chasing clout, this is what happens. Clout is like a dog, it will bite you. You see, you chase clout because you're hoping at some point, you know, she's got this gig and whisking my tongue up because you've seen that on Instagram and ah, brother. Just bro, let's all learn to just enjoy. This is my thing. This is my thing, yeah. With everything that he said and all that, right? If he felt that she wasn't on that level, like he was saying, Oh, you're not even on that level. I've I've I've um hired or booked big or whatever, right? Why book her then again? Why book out then? You thought miraculously ways would just pop up, which would then give you that extra cachet in that sense of like, oh, did you turn to the show? I remember where I was when Section Boys performed them times in Croydon. How much we paid for that ticket? And guess who turned up? Drake turned up. Brother, man, paid 20 pounds to see. You get me? Now I can go anywhere in the world and tell people that, yo, this. Cool. And you thought Skylar Tyler would tyler your system. Hey, listen. Tyler Skylar Tyler is great. She's amazing at what she does. Possibly top three DJs right now in the world. She's better than Black Coffee.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:43

Please.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:44

This guy. You know what? Let's move on.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:46

Shout out to everybody involved. Yeah. Shout out to everybody involved. This guy, this guy, this guy.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:50

This guy don't serious. Get the fuck out of here, bro. You see, bro. Did you see complexes? I'm not even gonna, I'm not even gonna waste my time with this one on you, bro. You're mad. Did you see complexes? Um, what's it called? The most powerful people in hip hop media. Yaman. Bro, the list, yeah. Yeah, DJ Academics, number one. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. That makes sense. That makes sense. Joe Buddh. Yeah, Joe Buddhist number two. Number two is two. Vlad, number three. Yike. Jada and Fat Joe number four. Jada and Fat Joe should have been three. I feel you understand. Charlemagne the God number five. He should have been number four. So DJ Vlad. Vlad just needs to keep going. I'll tell you where Vlad should be. Um Anthony Fantano. Oh, Fantano should be in front of Vlad should okay. No, yeah, yeah. So you're saying Fantano should have been number three. Trust me. Okay. Rory Mo. Yeah, they were right. Yeah, seven is good for them still. Yeah. Um Coco. Eight is good. Is it that? Swap of Vlad, yes. Swapy Vlad. Yeah, that's what I think. Ebro. Ebro is good where he is because of everything that happened this year. Yeah. Then Playboy Marks, number 10. I agree with that. Because he had a very good year. He had a very two years ago going into last year. Yeah. This year has been a bit different. Yeah. But he's that's that's the right way. So you feel like the person that should have been moved a couple pecs that was Vlad. Vlad is yeah, Vlad. If Vlad two years ago, yes, Vlad is there, but not. But Vlad is really tapped into hip hop, though. No, no, no. That's what I'm trying to say. Wait, if you read the criteria, yeah, we're talking about people in terms of yes, of course he's tapped in. He gets all of these guys to snitch on themselves and whatever the case is, but he's had the issue with um what's the name of the rapper? Um what's the name of that rapper again? Pussy. There you go. So they're having this issue, and that's the only person, really and truly that is hip-hop that he really talks to constantly because he's lost Tony Yeo, he's lost a lot of other people that have gone off. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's not lost Tony Yeah. That would that was that was what was out there, but Tonyello came back last week. No, no, no. I'm giving an example. When I say lose, I don't mean like never coming back. Do you get it? Before Tony Yeo didn't have his old podcast, let's be real. Okay, so there was a chance like he was like a fixture. Man is dead. Now he's got his own thing, so it's gonna be tough, it's good, it's gonna be harder than yeah, but also I think like this list is like people that are actually like the movers and shakers in the culture, like the people influenced it that when they say something, yeah, absolutely, the culture just you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I think Vlad should be still forever down. Like I said, two years ago, yeah, I would say he should be fourth or fifth. But this from this was what DJ Academic said about my man.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:42

Who right now controls news cycles? Who has the most power in our space in those regards? Okay, if that makes sense. That makes sense. Let's get into it. One and two, drum roll. Reveal it yourself and your good brother Joe Budden. So, first, before we even get into it, do you think you are the most so last year Joe Budden was the one?

SPEAKER_15 1:32:06

Academics was two. No, last year Joe Budden was three. Who was one? One was I think it was like AC. It was still AC. Was it last year or two years? But there was a year, I think it was last year, Joe Budden was one. Yeah, that's AC was two. That's um 2024. Oh, is it? Yeah, 2024, Joe Budden was one, 2025, AC was one, and 2026, ACK, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:29

The person in hip hop media right now.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:31

Yeah. I'm I'm rocking with this list for this year, yeah. This is I told people I feel like this is my my journey, so I think that's accurate. You know, I I've always said that me and Joe, we have this joke uh when we talk to each other personally, we're like or privately, I say, I feel like we're still doing everyday struggle just on different platforms. He's one of the only people I check for consistently to see how did he look at a situation, because very rarely does that affect how I look at stuff. Yeah, Joe, I got you this year, man. I got you.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:02

So you think that you're better than Joe.

SPEAKER_14 1:33:04

All right, so don't let me kick my man back in. I'm just asking, because that's what you're saying. Joe, listen, it's a lot of ways to look at this. There's only one way. Okay. You're above him. No, no. Do you agree with me? Here's the thing. So I'm looking at this in voice. I think Joe has an amazing platform. You get into semantics, my dick. What are we talking about, yo? No, no, no. It ain't no semantics. Joe can't fuck with me. He can't fuck with me. What I'm saying is that I fuck with his podcast. It's a lot of voices on there. When I'm on stream, it's me versus a million. And that's just what it is. Not only people watching the people who's gonna be tweet about it, listen, some half the time I'm off that hand dog. Joe's my man, but I think you know.

SPEAKER_15 1:33:43

Bro, listen, my man talking shit, though. No, he's absolutely right in terms of the fact that it's just him by himself, but no one can talk on anything, Joe Budden, bro. You know, not just because I'm a fan of his thing, but Ack is absolutely right in the fact, bro. No, you know how hard.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:57

Yeah, you know how hard what AK does. I hard, bro.

SPEAKER_15 1:34:02

I do it and I'm not on his level, and I know how difficult that is. That's what I'm saying. Like, we know how hard it is to kind of sit down and entertain people for the camera in front of the camera, just by yourselves, uh, not bouncing ideas or whatever, yeah, and just talk. You really have to be tapped in, bro. To be fair, I see and I hear a lot of people say that, which is very, very true. But I see life in this way, yeah. Some things are absolutely true, but I feel like it's 80% true. The other 20, I can attribute it to the fact that there are topics happening in real time. That's the that's the advantage of it. Once you have 10 people engaging with you, that time flies. Because you're constantly answering questions, you're cut, you're like you're talking to people, it's like you're online just talking to people. Now, if there was nothing, just him sitting in a room, nothing, he's not in front of a camera, he can't go and get a clip and react to a clip and all that stuff, it's gonna be a different vibe. Yeah, but my thing is, right, like the research in itself as well. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because he's in the know, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. The the truth is myself and yourself, right? We don't, I don't know Alamide's number to call him to ask him for stuff. You know, AC has got so many contacts, yeah. Contacts in that sense, like a Drake can just give him a nugget, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you used to create a content, he could talk about that for two hours straight. Yeah, and then people are engaging, asking questions. Oh, I think you're lying. Then he can attack the person that said, I think you're lying. That's another three hours. Then in the in the middle, he's drinking, he's doing a lot of stuff. So, yes, rightfully so. Then when you now look at Joe Budden's one, he has to entertain. That's production, he has to entertain and make sure he keeps people entertained for hours, yeah. But then at the same time, it definitely helps as well because because it all depends on the people that you're conversation and conversating with as well. Facts, you got what I mean. They have to also be creative as well and know how to obviously engage, engage, bounce out, yeah, yeah, that's absolutely true. Definitely like is right. I'm not gonna lie, yo, he deserves it because he deserves he does hip hop stuff anyway. Yeah, so that's an easy that's like no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. He does each other.

SPEAKER_13 1:36:04

Just looking at Ak and everything, and I know that he gets the backlash and all that, right? A lot of people don't like him, but when you look at how he came up and all that, bro, you gotta give my man this credit, bro.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:13

Yeah, to an extent, yeah. He walked his ass off. No, no, absolutely. He walked his ass off, it doesn't depend, it doesn't it doesn't really, it does matter because I don't want to be insensitive. But the thing is, whatever lands in your lap and you use to make whatever you make, as long as you don't kill no one, you don't, yeah, that's fantastic. Because obviously, we know obviously the whole Shirak, and that's what he was talking about, and he built his stuff from there, bro. Yeah, bro, like my point is the Oz was obviously against him, right? He is Caribbean, right? He's a gig, like he's not like a cool, yeah, cool dude. He's not a cool dude, you go. I mean, people love gossip, isn't it? So a lot of people, you know, and then I and I remember when people didn't know his face when he was doing the the Wednesday thing, yeah. It was funny, yeah. Like a lot of people were watching, like even me. I was like, Who's this guy? Like his voice is funny and everything, right? But I remember when he started showing his face, that kind of took away some cool points, right? Absolutely, like a lot of people like so that's the you know, he's not like yo, good looking guy, he's fat, you know what I'm saying? So that for him, yeah, you know, but for him to kind of break through that, yeah. You get me? But that's what I'm saying. He had to break through because let's be real a lot based on gossip, and the world loves good gossip. The world is that's one thing in this world. If you have, you're always gonna be successful. Information, bro. Everyone wants to know um the artists that didn't pay magic um magic sticks. I mean, say what you want to say. You didn't fear. No, no, no. Are you scared? You don't fear? I know this is just like what I'm trying to say is why pressure me. Go on, say the camera is there. Are you scared? No, I'm giving an example to say. Okay, for instance, you know magic sticks, yeah. The guy that produced Fashion, right? Yeah, yeah. Um, there's there's some artists that didn't pay him. Like who? That's the owing. Huh? Like who? Um, it's an example. Okay, I mean, put the name on the bullet now. Uh-oh. It's an example. You the scared with this information, you can build a platform, bro. You just start to have not yet. This guy, like bro, and and like shout out to AC man, he built on that and you just kept on doing it, like having those information, say, yo, if you want to know who did this, and because that information turned out to be true, people are like, ah, this guy's credible, we don't care how he looks, we're just gonna go and listen to it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um that's it. Do you do you feel that we do you feel that we can have something like this in our culture? Yeah, we we can just bro. I can feed the information with the because I don't feel like personally, yeah, personally, I don't feel I don't feel like anyone in the culture is touching us. That's I that's how I feel. You don't feel that? I don't even see anything, I don't see it. I don't see there is no one in the culture that is doing what we're doing. Hey, listen, click this, let him I'm actually checking them and everything, watching their shit in the other shit, like none of that. You see what Axe said about him checking on Joe and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like we're gonna have none of that. A lot of these people, yeah. If they're not doing interviews, if inviting some of these big guests and everything, that's about it, man. That shit will be so dead in the winter, bro. Facts, you get me like the fact that we are doing our shit, the butt of us, I don't have nobody's contact. You know what? I'm gonna do uh list top 10 uh podcasts, and I'll post it. Yes, yes, yes, you heard me right. I will celebrate myself we don't have we don't have no no contact is the butt for us coming here and everything, doing what we're doing and getting the numbers that we're getting, bro.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:47

I don't feel like nobody, none of you is touching us, bro. That's the whole fact, bro. But shout out to Act smell, what the brock?

SPEAKER_15 1:39:56

Shout out to Akman, Ak is dope. Fab, before we leave, yeah. AG baby, it's your baby, easier, baby, baby. This one was not my bingo card, still. Let me get my notes ready. Sorry. This was not on my bingo card.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:13

Are they called gold versus shea vibes?

SPEAKER_15 1:40:19

Fam. You know what? I'm gonna shout out this brother Nerefin, yeah. For some of you, yeah, go and and follow us on X, follow the community. Yes, yeah, F O T B community on X. I'm gonna shout out this brother Nerefin because every week, yeah, he puts out, he sends us what's going on in the culture and all that shit. You go, I mean, and his name is Steven Eo. Oh yes, my brother Steven Eo. Steven apologies if I got the name wrong. I don't know if it's Eo or Ayo, yeah, whichever one you know. You go I mean, but Steven Eo, bro, shout out to you, bro. Steven, Steven, Steven. We love it, Steven, we love it, we love it, Steven, we do, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:02

We love it, Steven, we do, oh Steven, we love you.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:09

Yeah, let's go. So, I couldn't let go and obviously dropped his album, yeah. Um, Fuji Extra.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:20

And that's a track, I believe it was track one or something. Yeah. Um the track is called The Life of Faji.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:30

Yes, and on one of the lines he said, They love my Fuji, these no be Fuji Moto. Hmm, the internet went crazy because the artist that has Fuji Moto is who? She vibes. Really? You know what I mean? Yeah, Shahi Vibes knows how to go crazy. Mmm. Hey, before you go on, go on, context. She vibes is about to drop an album, right? Carry on, my brother. Carry on. An album produced by who? Berna. Back on me. Executive no, okay, guys. Executive produced. I know what you're about to say. They're gonna punish you. I know what you're about to say. I dred you in through the door. I know what you're gonna listen to. They're gonna watch it, and think but they produce burn them on the beat. Yeah, but I sit down creator the song. Yo, Bonner, I need you to listen to the song. Bonner, I hope you don't mind. Yeah, can I stamp your name as the executive? Yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. That's it, bro. But you know what? Hey, listen, the endorsement matters, isn't it? You got what I'm saying? Facts, facts, facts so so I can't even hate on it. Word, word, word, word, word, word, word. You got me? You can't hate on it at all. You get me, but Shay Vibes now came out and said, Adecula gold, you are whack, and your swag is whack. Old food. Absolutely. That made me to go check how old is Ade Kula Gold to start with. Why is my man calling my man old? And um Shay Vibe has been telling people he's 22 or 23. Okay. So some guy today on my Twitter was like, I'm double his age. I said, Oh no, no, no, I'm 45. I said, Hey, you're hating on someone that you're double his age.

SPEAKER_16 1:43:38

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:39

Don't need to stress listen, we we need to check on some of these artists that they're age, bro, because a lot of them look like they're them near 40, bro. Talking about their 23. You got me. We need we definitely need to check on the ages of some of these people, bro. But uh, but it says that Adecula goes 39. Oh, okay. That's not old. Oh to them that pretend to be 20 something is old. That's not old. You know what I mean? And and my man, pause, my man looks good. You got me? Like it doesn't look good. If you're saying, bro, he doesn't look 39 at all. Absolutely. How are the shade vibes? He's 20 something. I might say 25. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course he's 25. Dude look damn near 50. No, no, no, he's 25. I believe he is. And the thing is, what he said is just again, this is what it is, yeah. When he said that Fuji, I get it, because someone called themselves Fuji um the album Fujimoto and stuff like that. So instantly you would take it as a but for me, it's like this is what I see. It's like that desperation to want to be beefed. The controversy because controversy sells, in it. Yeah, it's just like the question that you asked earlier. He's got his album coming out, so yeah, it's like, oh, he said that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just gonna buy the beef, brother. I wasn't even talking to you, I only said that because it rhymed. Like some of these artists forget that, bro. Sometimes we just need a word to fill the gap in the song, and also depending on how look at it, that can be a compliment. Because if I say no be Fujimoto, that means Fujimoto belongs to my man over there, bro. My shit is different, and also like I wrote in my notes, yeah. This is what I wrote when I was like on my way here, and I was just thinking of this the foolishness. And shout out to the idiot that inspired me because because he thought I was talking about Shay Vibes, which I was, yes. And what are you gonna do? I said, you know what? Let me write my note. This is what I said, this is my strong take, yeah. And I wrote this in my notes, you know, you know the notes on your phone, yeah. Yeah, I said, I don't like gold might, no, not even might, may have the cleaner artistic argument, or Shay Vibes has the stronger street emotional argument, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:42

The uncomfortable truth, which most of you fans struggle with, yeah, is that neither project, I've said this before, neither neither project captures anything Fuji in its traditional form. That's facts, nothing. Yeah, what they are really fighting over is not even Fuji itself. No, it's not. Guess what they're fighting over, guys? You guessed it. It's who gets to define Fuji for the Afro pop generation. Yeah, they're all just fighting to define their own form of Fuji to the Afro Pop generation. That's it, brother. Let me tell you break news. No one cares, bro. Capital space, that is what it is. Yeah, bro, that's what it's all about. And this guy is just desperate to fight another man because someone said or because you want, oh yes, guys, now okay, okay. All right, now we're our name. When you type it, the clout is there, you know, the traction is there. Album is gonna land. Brother, the last album wasn't that great. It wasn't that great. I'm sorry, it wasn't that great, you know. Man has just done the thing where he's doing a Chris Brown where he just puts loads of albums, and he did that, it's just successful to an extent. You know, some hit, some did not hit, you know, some, yeah, we get it. Some stuck, some did not stick. Yeah, we get that, but don't ever, guys, to you compare is different, brother. This is what I wrote about Ade Kule Gold in general, and I've always wait, that's why you know, earlier when I was on my phone, I was looking for that note. Um this is what I think, yeah. Not think, this is what I know. Adequule god, I even wrote it here. Adi Kule Gold has the stronger case for more for artistic evolution. So Ade Kule Gold has moved from folk to high life, his inspired music into Afro pop, then this Fuji era. You know, we've had so many AG baby moments, moments, exactly. You know, so I'm confused where this whole some people are like, oh, he um this guy cannot tie his lace, brother. Adi Kule go to not only tie Shea Vibe's lace. You know, when you take you take you take the person's shoe off his foot and knock him in the head with the shoe. That's what Adi Kulegode do to him, bro. What the heck is this? I tell you, bro, that's it, that's it. Like, I looked at it and I was like, bro, what the fuck? You get what I mean? Like, it's it wasn't like my man was even being disrespectful, though. Comprehension. Unless, unless, bro, clearly you are you're just begging for it. You have a project coming out, it's desperate. You want your name in the in the will, in the in the algorithm wheel, and everything. But to me, I just feel like it's a cheap way of chasing clout. Of course, it's a very cheap way of chasing it. And this is the most obvious, you know. Normally people chase cloud, and you're like, So this one, there's no benefit of the doubt, bro. This is so obvious.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:27

Yeah, and people are saying that Adecola Gold has not commented on whatever his wife tweeted, but he wants to um stir up this shit, bro. He doesn't need to come out of shit, bro.

SPEAKER_15 1:48:36

So what his wife cannot hold it. It is what it is. Two independent adults, you got me. Two, she's a woman, he's a man, very much equal. He doesn't need to fight her battles when she can do it. I know you guys struggle with that concept over there, but brother, in the real world, man, women can do it. You get me, yeah, bro. Let's see me catch you and knock you up, bro. You know them ones there, give you a couple of jabs, then you'll be like, hey, this woman strong. Keep messing up. Well, listen, blessings to the both of them and everything, bro.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:05

Fan before we leave, yeah. I have resorted to the mindset that I think Arsenal's gonna win it, bro. Win what? The Premier League, bro. And maybe the Champions League, bro. You just never know.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:20

So I need water Champions League. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Bro, it's one game. Ah, I know. I'm a football coach, I know how that works. Everybody said it with the one said it with Atletico Madrid. We saw what happened with Atletico Madrid. Yeah, but there was no chance of them losing to Atletico Madrid. If we're being real, they beat Atletico Madrid earlier in the season 4 0. Get it. Now we're in the knockout stages, it's a different vibe. They also beat I beat I believe they beat PSG and and Bayern Munich as well, like earlier on as well. Which arsenal? This Arsenal no no, they actually did. Wait, wait, let me confirm. Maybe. Maybe no no let me just no they definitely beat they definitely beat um biomunic yeah I could understand if you say biomunic but I need to very much confirm this you got saying I'm just saying bro listen at this point everyone is hoping on CT CT just drew drew their last game isn't it yeah and guess what um Arsenal could do as well in the future how many games remaining now they could draw as well how many games remaining three yeah I don't see them drawing okay um I think Barcelona yeah I'm sorry Arsenal yeah they won the beat by Munich 3-1 there you go in their home yeah fair enough surely they I don't know I don't know I don't know let me paint some pictures at this point at this point I'm just saying that I'm not putting anything past oh no no no actually I'm not even the truth is I said this from that time I said totem would never get relegated yeah that one I was so sure of and brother they're not getting relegated Arsenal yeah you know what they might just win it maybe maybe not I'm still don't want them to win it and I hope Man City and I hope they draw because West Ham needs to win ah they need to win no hey they will beat Arsenal I'm telling you now they're gonna beat Arsenal and then Man City would kick up because Man City are like oh man we had a chance we messed it up but don't worry guys tomorrow West Ham will win that game because West Ham needs to stay in the Premier League so they're gonna beat Arsenal because that's what I think is and interestingly guys just so you know PSG one by one they'll go into the kitchen wear their apron clean their cutlery and start cooking yeah the way they cook I don't see it I I don't see it I don't see it you get me I think my days of saying no it's never gonna happen yeah I think them days are far bro you get me but we'll see what happened it will hurt me but we'll see what happened because my boy came from the states and everything he came to watch Arsenal play bro for him I did not hear word bro that's the problem I didn't hear word you know I didn't hear word I was like what the hell and that's the noise we don't need in London I know I live in London you live in London that noise that noise I don't want to hear it the only thing that made me happy was United in it United just mashed up Liverpool come on somebody's owing me 20 pounds light work light work hey brother light work someone's owing me 20 pounds you know if you if you've eaten roasted corn before you know how you have to you have to you know mind and you have to yeah that's what we did light work we just just you know I mean hey this beer is being blind this we we roasted those guys many bro come on that's a slow burn slow burn yeah man i'm happy when it comes to that even though my Lakers are about to get knocked out it is where it is uh Knicks are doing really well though you got all the Knicks are doing so well you got me so you just want them once in that ball whoa just clocked what happened to the NBA um um what's it called you know bro it's injuries bruv you get me from our Lakers you talking about from my Lakers no I mean what happened to like some of the bets used to like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah bro it's looking yes yeah it's looking theme right now bruv you get me red looking red right now bruv disappointed man I know sometimes my bets and everything I'm not smiling at the moment bro just know that I'm not smiling at the moment at the moment remember that show remember that moment in Afro bitch boys are not smiling but yeah man we'll see what happens with that bro bro before we leave yeah you need to watch the show um are you familiar with this guy called Nature Boy that's for that oh the documentary I need to finish it bro you need to watch it yeah bro you need to watch that shit bro that shit crazy yeah sometimes I think it's on Hulu yeah sometimes I just feel like yo like how do people get initiated into a like oh especially that type of code like a sexual call because it is a sexual cult yes yeah you know what I'm saying like you have to be a freak to be like I want to be part of sexual I know how people get into cults when you have an idiot telling you shaves is greater than yeah that's how cult starts now do you know what bro you said that thing like a joke yeah some of the fan bases that we have it's a cult it's not a fan base yeah can easily be a cult I say easily it is a cult they just use fan base to put it there it's a cult bro come on man it's just a euphemism so the fan base is a euphemism for actually what it is it's a cult we know this because I promise you how cults work they don't want to hear any other take from anyone else when a cult member catches you now they want to do something they don't care bro they've made their mind up the fact that someone sits in that home and they can't listen to topes go I like it but it's not my thing and they attack you for you saying it's not your thing brother that's a cult bro real fans will be like you know what fair enough I hear it I hear it you know because you love music it's like yo it's good conversation cult members will tell you no you must like my own that's why I see cult members who tell you are you with us no you're not with us okay we kill you that's how these guys are man that's why I don't sometimes I don't they literally just attack you then yeah that's why sometimes I only entertain them to you know waste my time because I'm maybe waiting for something I've ordered food and I feel let's just entertain this idiot yeah I'm saying but shout out to all the cult guys man calling yourself fan bases bro listen it's been a good one oh man it's been a good one great conversation yeah man shout out to Pitch Spoon good conversation hello you got me listen if you're not subscribed to the channel do that right now subscribe to the channel watch his videos clip it post it tell your friends to tell a friends and tell your enemies to tell your friends because they got friends too what what what 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